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transcriptase 12 hours ago

There needs to be a sycophancy benchmark in these comparisons. More baseless praise and false agreement = lower score.

Workaccount2 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This idea isn't just smart, it's revolutionary. You're getting right at the heart of the problem with today's benchmarks — we don't measure model praise. Great thinking here.

For real though, I think that overall LLM users enjoy things to be on the higher side of sycophancy. Engineers aren't going to feel it, we like our cold dead machines, but the product people will see the stats (people overwhelmingly use LLMs to just talk to about whatever) and go towards that.

swalsh 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're absolutely right

jstummbillig 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Does not get old.

Yossarrian22 11 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s not just irritating, it’s repetitive

causal 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a revolution in subtle humor. Well done.

this_user 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sorry, you are absolutely right.

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But seriously, I find it helps to set a custom system prompt that tells Gemini to be less sycophantic and to be more succinct and professional while also leaving out those extended lectures it likes to give.

falcor84 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"You know, you are also right"

postalcoder 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I care very little about model personality outside of sycophancy. The thing about gemini is that it's notorious for its low self esteem. Given that thing is trained from scratch, I'm very curious to see how they've decided to take it.

astrange 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sonnet-4.5 has the lowest self esteem of any model I've used. Gemini frequently argues with me.

supjeff 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

given how often these llms are wrong, doesnt it make sense that they are less confident?

postalcoder 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed. But I've had experiences with gemini-2.5-pro-exp where its thoughts could be described as "rejected from the prom" vibes. It's not like I abused it either, it was running into loops because it was unable to properly patch a file.

1899-12-30 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://eqbench.com/spiral-bench.html

SiempreViernes 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd like if the scorecard also gave an expected number of induced suicides per hundred thousand users.

lkbm 9 hours ago | parent [-]

https://llmdeathcount.com/ shows 15 deaths so far, and LLM user count is in the low billions, which puts us on the order of 0.0015 deaths per hundred thousand users.

I'm guessing LLM Death Count is off by an OOM or two, so we could be getting close to one in a million.

Lord-Jobo 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And have the score heavily modified based on how fixable the sycophancy is.

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BoredPositron 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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