Typical. I may get absolutely destroyed for this, but being professionally proficient in a ton of languages, including Ruby and the ones I mention below, and the ones I'm about to mention:

This sounds like Microsoft when they moved from VB6 to VB.Net. At least they have a good thing going with C# though.

VB6 was quite an interesting beast. You could do basically everything that you could do in languages like C/C++, but in most cases, you could churn out code quicker. This even extended to DirectX/Direct3D! For Web pages? ASP Classic.

The tl;dr is that I really wish that ease of development were prioritized along with everything else. One of the reasons I like Ruby is the elegance of the language and ease of using it.

Note that I've been using it since the mid 2000s or so, but not exclusively (both it and VB6 defined my career, however). C# is my second most favorite.

If Ruby had the GUI design tools VB6 had, it would be interesting to look at the popularity stats

Anyway, I'm rambling, so there is that. ;)

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pizza234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

VB6 deserves the huge popularity it had, but the reason wasn't because of the language design, rather, its (extremely) rapid GUI application development. It was actually a two-edged sword - it facilitated writing spaghetti code.

> You could do basically everything that you could do in languages like C/C++

As long as there is some form of memory access, any language can do basically everything that one can do in C/C++, but this doesn't make much sense.

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atherton94027 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> As long as there is some form of memory access, any language can do basically everything that one can do in C/C++, but this doesn't make much sense.

No VB6 had really easy COM integration which let you tap into a lot of Windows system components. The same code in C++ often required hundreds of lines of scaffolding, and I'm not exaggerating

	▲	jlarocco 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		FWIW, the pywin32 Python package and win32ole Ruby package have streamlined COM integration for Python and Ruby. Not quite as easy as VB6, but it's pretty close. I was even able to tab complete COM names in the Emacs Python REPL, but I remember it being a little buggy.

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jlarocco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think it was too similar, TBH. Apple never took MacRuby as seriously as Microsoft took VB6, and it hadn't even had a 1.0 release when the single developer left Apple to work on RubyMotion.

I do agree it'd be interesting to have a GUI designer for Ruby. Does QML paired with QtRuby work?

In the distant past I had a book about FXRuby, but never used it much, and don't think it had a UI designer - it was just bindings to Fox Toolkit, which is lightweight, but not as well maintained as Qt or Gtk.

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pxc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> At least they have a good thing going with C# though.

F# is pretty well-liked, too, isn't it?

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blacksmith_tb 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What about something like Shoes[1]? I have played with it a little, just to make a simple UI to run some scripts I can run fine in a shell myself, but less-technical people may be too scared to fire up Terminal.app in order to do the same...

1: http://shoesrb.com/

	▲	pizza234 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Shoes was very limited, and could only be used for extremely simple applications.

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refulgentis 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Typical? Of whom?

You might get destroyed for this? Why?

I don’t know what either of those mean in this context, and I used VB6 for a couple years at least and have been programming ObjC and / or Swift since 2006, with some time in Rails over a couple years.

I’m extremely confused by your comment, it’s apparently near verboten in polite company, yet, manages to say nothing other than that while invoking several things of which I’m quite familiar.

If you are destroyed, I anticipate it will be for a quarter baked, horrible, analogy between ObjC/Swift (or is it Ruby/Swift)? and VB6/VB.NET that somehow has something to do with Ruby.