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goranmoomin 10 hours ago

(I'm a South Korean.)

> According to the prevailing narrative in North Korea, the war was won by the communists and since then, the entire Korean peninsula has remained united under the rule of the Korean Workers’ Party.

This is either not true at all or the writer phrased strangely ­— both of the governments (South & North) recognize that the war is still on-going and they have an enemy that is controlling the other half of the peninsula that they do not control. However, both of the governments also argue that they are the only legal government that is ought to control the whole peninsula and does not recognize each other's legitimacy. For example, ROK(Republic of Korea, the government that controls the southern part of the peninsula)'s constitution writes that it's government governs the whole peninsula and it's islands. It's like how both PRC(People's Republic of China, i.e. China) and ROC(Republic of China, i.e. Taiwan) both argue that they are the only legal government over all of China (i.e. Mainland China and Taiwan combined).

> Therefore, when looking at the maps in this atlas, it should come as no surprise that Korea is always shown as one country, with no reference to the other country that exists at the southern tip of the peninsula.

It is universally agreed between the two governments (and their citizens) that a unification should happen at some point, so it is obvious that we should be using a map that covers the whole peninsula. We (as South Koreans) also learn 'our country' as the whole peninsula.

> This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific Ocean, which gives Korea a privileged position on the global stage.

Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the Westerners act like that they don't even think of the remote possibility that they might not be the center of the world…?

South Korean maps do this, China maps do this, Japanese maps do this, I'm pretty sure South East Asia countries also do this, it's a normal thing to do. There's nothing special about having the Pacific Ocean centered.

zokier 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the Westerners act like that they don't even think of the remote possibility that they might not be the center of the world…?

> South Korean maps do this, China maps do this, Japanese maps do this, I'm pretty sure South East Asia countries also do this, it's a normal thing to do. There's nothing special about having the Pacific Ocean centered.

Worth noting that florence meridian (11E) is somewhat special because centering map on it avoids cutting any major land masses. The best pacific option (148E) still needs to deal with greenland somehow. Of course Korea is quite off from 148E, so the map here ends up bit wonky (Greenland is duplicated, but Nunavut is not?).

drdec 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific Ocean, which gives Korea a privileged position on the global stage.

> Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the Westerners act like that they don't even think of the remote possibility that they might not be the center of the world…?

Westerner who also thought this was a strange comment and that the centering of the Korean peninsula was a totally natural decision for this atlas

throw-the-towel 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The North has officially rejected unification, and regards South Korea as a separate, enemy country.

pkkim 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not sure why this is downvoted. Kim Jong-un declared that reunification is no longer a goal in 2024 and tore down the Reunification Arch.

culi an hour ago | parent [-]

But that's only because the conservative government that took power in South Korea took a hardline anti-unification stance and instead decided to strengthen relations with the US.

The US has a rich history of undermining unification processes. Like in 2005 when Bush Jr broke promises related to light-water reactors and the 2005 agreement (where North Korea would stop nuclear development in exchange for a non-aggression pact and relief from sanctions).

Or in March 2017 when the U.S. has dismissed a joint China-North Korea proposal where North Korea would end its nuclear weapons development in exchange for the U.S. stopping its military maneuvers with South Korea

sbinnee 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It is universally agreed between the two governments (and their citizens) that a unification should happen at some point, so it is obvious that we should be using a map that covers the whole peninsula. We (as South Koreans) also learn 'our country' as the whole peninsula.

When I was growing up, I learned that too. But is it still true? I don't see any unification news or mention of it from media anymore. I don't think that schools still say or can say that to students. It didn't take me a long time after I got out of the public education system to realize what propaganda schools and media were selling.

AndriyKunitsyn 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, that's complete nonsence.

My friend was on a guided tour to North Korea, and they aware of a lot of things. For example, the population of the North and the South was somehow accurately described to the tourists as 25 and 50 million, and they don't question that fact.

edm0nd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>It is universally agreed between the two governments (and their citizens) that a unification should happen at some point

South Koreans don't seriously believe this would ever be possible do they?

garciasn 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All Koreans hope for it to happen, especially those who aren't part of the very upper echelons of the DPRK. Just because folks live in DPRK and are bombarded with bullshit doesn't mean they aren't very well aware of what their realities are like when compared to that of the South.

Sneakernet is (was?) alive and well in DPRK and most of the population knows they're living nowhere near the levels that those in the South are. They just are fucking terrified of them and their families being killed by hard labor if they say otherwise.

So; sure; it's /possible/, but until something big changes, it won't happen. The only reason it's not actually happening is because of the humanitarian crisis it would create. No one wants to deal w/the fallout.

pndy 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It wouldn't be just a humanitarian crisis but huge economical and social problem as well - suddenly this single country would be enlarged by ~26mln people who would need to be adjusted to life in a completely different reality, and who also would need to be secured in variety of ways.

The comparison to German unification that's often bring up seems to be accurate only on the surface. There are large differences like mainly the cult of personality created by the Kim family that affects life of people in NK. It's not possible to dismantle that day by day, and surely government which would had to deal with unification would also face resistance to some degree. This society has been for over 70 years conditioned to hate, looking for the causes of their own misfortune outside in the pure evil that USA in their eyes is and its puppet state of SK.

It won't be a 0-1 change where on Monday you attend annual parade where you worship Eternal President and Dear Leader, and by Tuesday you plan your first vacations on Jeju island.

Moreover, the situation in the end of 80s in Europe is the key factor - namely the domino effect started in Poland which spread across the whole eastern bloc. There was a strong opposition building up within societies of Central-Eastern Europe demanding changes and freedom. Pretty sure that's nearly non existent in NK - there's no trigger for large changes. Even the famine in the mid-90s wasn't enough.

GabrielTFS 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think much of anyone thinks unification is actually possible absent some big change, and indeed neither government is truly pursuing it actively (unless "trying to destabilize and make the other government collapse" qualifies). But both are trying to be as ready as possible for unification when the opportunity presents itself (most likely, it would happen in a way alike to German reunification - that is, the government of one of the two countries becomes quite compatible with the other, because the previous form of government in it collapsed and was replaced by that of its neighbor)

throwuxiytayq 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nothing lasts forever, and change is an inevitable fact of life on a sufficient time scale.

msla 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

North Korea has map centered on North Korea.

Discussion is about how Westerners are self-centered.

OK.

shanoaice 2 hours ago | parent [-]

At least for Japan, South Korea and China we all draw our map centered to Pacific Ocean instead of Atlantic Ocean. It is very normal practice, unless the author of this article is so Eurocentrism that they think it is an arrogation for anyone other than Europe to put them in the center.

ForOldHack 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

( I lived in South Korea, and I read Korean rather well, and have traveled very extensively in South Korea. I have seen North Korean across the borders from 4 sites. )

The prevailing narrative in North Korea is utter propaganda: You cannot win a war that is still not over.

Korea should reunite as some point, when the North has a moderate leader or falls like East Germany. Until then all the wishful thinking of a deranged leader in the North, will amount to cold, cold air. The North Koreans starved millions of their own citizens. Millions, and continue to do so.

"Government Policies: The state's rigid public distribution system failed, disproportionately affecting the urban population and rural areas, while prioritizing food for the military and political elite. The government was slow to seek international aid and restricted the access of foreign relief agencies, diverting much of the aid that did arrive. "

Westerners who are not traveled, do believe themselves to be the center of the universe, its why they are almost universally known as 'Ugly Americans.' Loads of those in South Korea.

An honest map of korea would be east west centered on the China sea, looking over the plains, and with the mountains at the top... ( I am getting emotional now at the thought of the mountains... so incredibly beautiful, and... amazingly clean. ) My wish for Korean Unification is to see the Golden Mountain. (金剛山), and for the long separated families to see each other.

Rotate all these maps 90 degrees counter clockwise.

The best hope for unification for Korea... was laid out by Sec Hillary Clinton, who before she became Secretary of state, basically reiterated verbatim one of the most well thought out assessments of unification I have ever heard. Since she is not exactly a professor of Far East Studies, someone in the State Department must have written it for her, someone who had been studying it for decades, like I have.