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quacked 14 hours ago

> We can't even declare total victory with LED bulbs over incandescent.

The LED bulbs I have access to (whatever's in the aisles at Home Depot, Costco, etc.) fail much more frequently than the incandescent bulbs I used to buy, and produce an uglier light that is less warm even on the softest/warmest color settings.

My suspicion is that incandescents were at the "end" of their product lifecycle (high quality available for cheap) and LEDs are nearing the middle (medium quality available for cheap), and that I should buy more expensive LED bulbs, but I still think that there are valid "complaints" against the state of widespread LED lighting. I hope these complaints become invalid within a decade, but for now I still miss the experience of buildings lit by incandescent light.

The other thing with AI--the LED revolution was led on this idea that we all need to work as hard as we can to save energy, but now apparently with AI that's no longer the case, and while I understand that this is just due to which political cabals have control of the regulatory machinery at any given time, it's still frustrating.

foobarian 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> uglier light that is less warm

I figured out why this happens.

The light color they call "daytime" is around 5000K, so I expected it to look like being outside in the sun; but instead I got a cold blueish vibe. The problem? Not enough power! I got the equivalent of a moonlit room.

So I got this 180W LED lamp (that's actual 180W, not 180W equivalent) [1]. It's so bright I couldn't see for 5 minutes. I put two in my office on desk lamps. The room now looks like being outside, without the "ugly blue" tint, even though the product says it's 6000K. The days of my SAD suffering are over!

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0962X573M

kragen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In many cases you can break one of the resistors off the LED bulb's printed-circuit board and run them at two-thirds of the power so they last forever. In other cases the surgery required is a little more involved than just snapping a surface-mount resistor off with pliers.

None of this will change the CRI.

quickthrowman 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The LED bulbs I have access to (whatever's in the aisles at Home Depot, Costco, etc.) fail much more frequently than the incandescent bulbs I used to buy, and produce an uglier light that is less warm even on the softest/warmest color settings.

LED lamps work just fine, you just need to pay more attention when you’re buying them. Philips makes decent LED lamps.

Make sure you’re buying lamps with 90+ CRI, that will help with the quality of light. 2700K is a good color temp for indoor living room/dining room/bedroom lighting, 3500-4000K for kitchen/garage/task lighting.

You also need to buy special lamps if you put them in an enclosed fixture, look for ‘enclosed fixture’ rated lamps. Regular LED lamps will overheat in an enclosed fixture.

Melatonic 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yup - CRI is most important. Indoor house plants also like high CRI lights much more as well!

kragen 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think houseplants will like horticultural LEDs much more than high-CRI lights.

drcongo 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe buy your bulbs somewhere else? I'm yet to replace any of the LED bulbs I've bought over the past 15 years and honestly can't even remember the last time a bulb failed.

ahmeneeroe-v2 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Mine fail all the time. Cheap Amazon Basics, expensive Phillips.

Do they fail more than incandescents? idk maybe not, but they fail much more often than their advertising would suggest.

drcongo 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Actually, since posting this I've vaguely remembered a previous discussion on here about differences between LED bulbs sold in the US and those sold in UK/EU so maybe that explains it.

1970-01-01 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[CITATION NEEDED] They do not. If you take the mean, median, and mode of the failure lifetime for LED bulbs sold at these stores and compare them to the failure times of incandescent bulbs, I also guarantee you are empirically wrong here.

quacked 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I believe this is true for the LED technology compared to the incandescent technology as a whole, but I'm simply turning over bulbs at a far higher rate than I did in the incandescent days. Often the LED bulbs are failing within a year under normal usage patterns. It's possible that using modern LEDs in old fixtures is causing some kind of issue.

quickthrowman 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Are your LED lamps failing in enclosed fixtures? You need to buy special lamps for enclosed fixtures, regular LED lamps will heat up too much for enclosed fixtures.

Look for ‘enclosed fixture rated’ LED lamps for enclosed fixtures.

9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]
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