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Phil_Latio 4 hours ago

> Because about 99% of the time the garbage collect is a negligible portion of your runtime

In a system programming language?

jerf an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Whether or not GC is a negligible portion of your runtime is a characteristic of your program, not your implementation language. For 99% of programs, probably more, yes.

I have been working in GC languages for the last 25 years. The GC has been a performance problem for me... once. The modal experience for developers is probably zero. Once or twice is not that uncommon. But you shouldn't bend your entire implementation stack choice over "once or twice a career" outcomes.

This is not the only experience for developers, and there are those whose careers are concentrated in the places where it matters... databases, 100%-utilization network code, hardware drivers. But for 99% of the programs out there, whatever language they are implemented in, GC is not an important performance consideration. For the vast bulk of those programs, there is a much larger performance consideration in it that could be turned up in 5 minutes with a profiler and nobody has even bothered to do that and squeeze out the accidentally quadratic code because even that doesn't matter to them, let alone GC delays.

This is the "system programmer's" equivalent of the web dev's "I need a web framework that can push 2,000,000 requests per second" and then choosing the framework that can push 2,001,000 rps over the one that can push 2,000,000 because fast... when the code they are actually writing for the work they are actually doing can barely push 100 rps. Even game engines nowadays have rather quite a lot of GC in them. Even in a system programming language, and even in a program that is going to experience a great deal of load, you are going to have to budget some non-trivial optimization time to your own code before GC is your biggest problem, because the odds that you wrote something slower than the GC without realizing it is pretty high.

Snarwin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's plenty of application-level C and C++ code out there that isn't performance-critical, and would benefit from the safety a garbage collector provides.

pjmlp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, plenty have been done already so since Lisp Machines, Smalltalk, Interlisp-D, Cedar, Oberon, Sing#, Modula-2+, Modula-3, D, Swift,....

It is a matter to have an open mindset.

Eventually system languages with manual memory management will be done history in agentic driven OSes.

KerrAvon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Swift, by design, does not have GC.

pjmlp an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Chapter 5,

https://gchandbook.org/contents.html

It would help if all naysayers had their CS skills up to date.

pebal 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

RC is a GC method and the least efficient one.