Some of you have been watching too many sci-fi movies. The whole notion of "AI safety regulations" is so silly and misguided. If a safety critical system is connected to public networks with an exposed API or any security vulnerabilities then there is a safety risk regardless of whether AI is being used or not. This is exactly why nuclear weapon control systems are air gapped and have physical interlocks.

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buu700 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The existence of network-connected robots or drones isn't inherently a security vulnerability. AI control of the robots specifically is a problem in the same way that piping in instructions from /dev/urandom would be, except worse because AI output isn't purely random and has a higher probability of directing the machine to cause actual harm.

Are you saying you're opposed to letting AI perform physical labor, or that you're opposed to requiring safeguards that allow humans to physically shut it off?

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nradov 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I am opposed to regulating any algorithms, including AI/LLM. We can certainly have safety regulations for equipment with the potential to cause physical harm, such as industrial robots or whatever. But the regulation needs to be around preventing injury to humans regardless of what software the equipment is running.

	▲	buu700 18 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If that's the case, then it sounds like we largely agree with each other. There's no need for personal attacks implying that I'm somehow detached from reality. Ultimately, this isn't strictly an issue specific to genAI. If a "script roulette" program that downloaded and executed random GitHub Gist files somehow became popular, or if someone created a web app that allowed anyone to anonymously pilot a fleet of robots, I'd suggest that those be subject to exactly the same types of safety regulations I proposed. Any such regulations should be generically written, not narrowly targeted at AI algorithms. I'd still call that "AI safety", because in practice it's a much more useful definition of AI safety than the one being pushed today. "Non-determinism safety" doesn't really have the same ring to it.

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EagnaIonat 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The whole notion of "AI safety regulations" is so silly and misguided.

Here is a couple of real world AI issues that have already happened due to the lack of AI Safety.

- In the US if you were black you were flagged "high risk" for parole. If you were a white person living in farmland area then you were flagged "low risk" regardless of your crime.

- Being denied ICU because you are diabetic. (Thankfully that never went into production)

- Having your resume rejected because you are a woman.

- Having black people photos classified as "Gorilla". (Google couldn't fix at the time and just removed the classification)

- Radicalizing users by promoting extreme content for engagement.

- Denying prestige scholarships to black people who live in black neighbourhoods.

- Helping someone who is clearly suicidal to commit suicide. Explaining how to end their life and write the suicide note for them.

... and the list is huge!

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nradov 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

None of those are specifically "AI" issues. The technology used is irrelevant. In most cases you could cause the same bias problems with a simple linear regression model or something. Suicide techniques and notes are already widely available.

	▲	542354234235 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>None of those are specifically "AI" issues. The technology used is irrelevant. I mean, just because you could kill a million people by hand doesn't mean that a pistol, or an automatic weapon, or nuclear weapons aren't an issue, just an irrelevant technology. Guns in a home make suicide more likely simply because they are a tool that allows for a split-second action. "If someone really wants to do X, they will find a way" just doesn't map onto reality.
	▲	EagnaIonat 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		All of those are AI issues.

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mx7zysuj4xew 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

these issues are inherently some of the uglier sides of humananity. no LLM safety program can fix them, since its holding up a mirror to society.

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dmix 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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