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| ▲ | p1necone 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 'Competition' is listed as a dark pattern. Ya know, the core thing common to basically all games going back millenia, this site is ridiculous. | | |
| ▲ | vintermann 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The site says: "People like a challenge and playing against other people is often how games provide this challenge. Competition by itself is not necessarily a dark pattern. Classic games like chess and checkers, and most sports have competition. It's when competition is combined with other dark patterns that problems arise." And this is true. In particular, competition where you gain rewards for staying on top of leaderboards, and there is a pay-to-win element. Competition isn't necessarily bad, competition can be fun, "but how is this game using competition" something you should think about before you get into a new game. | | |
| ▲ | Bratmon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The person who wrote that text and the person that coded the website need to get relationship counseling; every page on the website except that paragraph treat competition as one more bad point ok the bad points scale. | | |
| ▲ | vintermann 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's all too common to make a taxonomy of potential problems and then when deciding how to sum it up just throw up your hands and say each potential problem is worth one point. |
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| ▲ | p1necone 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure but they have no room for this level of nuance on their actual ratings, it's just a checkbox for 'game has competition' which always counts as a 'dark pattern' for the purposes of the overall score. | | |
| ▲ | vintermann 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, their summing up is not very useful. As a database of which games have which patterns, I think it can be useful. |
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| ▲ | teamonkey 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Competition is not core to all games by any means. You could argue that challenge is core to games, for a particular definition of ‘challenge.’ | | |
| ▲ | p1necone 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Solo/single player games are common now, but looking at pre computer history the majority of games are sports where you're competing against others either alone or in teams and board/card/dice games where you are competing against others (and probably gambling too). Sure there are some solitaire card games, and toys like yo-yos, kendama and the like that could be classified as games. But competition defines most of what we consider "games" up until computers were able to simulate the other players in the form of hostile/friendly npcs, computer controlled 'players' etc. | | |
| ▲ | nine_k 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Single-player games very much existed before computers: puzzles, solitaires, etc. | | |
| ▲ | p1necone 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | See second paragraph. 'Basically all' may have been an exaggeration, but the crux of my argument is that the concept that human beings know as a 'game' up until the advent of computer games more often than not involved competition. | | |
| ▲ | teamonkey an hour ago | parent [-] | | Computers didn’t introduce the notion of solo play and there are examples of games throughout history that are not about competition. Archery, for example, has its roots in improving your skills for the battlefield. But archery as an hobby, which goes back as long as the bow was invented, is simply for the enjoyment of doing it. Kids playing together with toys is not a competition. Lego/Meccano/building blocks. The list goes on. |
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| ▲ | pyrale 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Plenty of games simply don't feature competition. |
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| ▲ | jasonlotito 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're allowed to like dark patterns. Doesn't make them any less dark. They manipulate you to get you to play more. But you are allowed to enjoy it. Trying to save your ego or pride by pretending is silly. | | |
| ▲ | Kiro 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't agree that they are dark though. > Trying to save your ego or pride by pretending is silly. Now you really convinced me! |
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