True, more than bare-metal I meant dedicated servers on-premise

▲ kasey_junk 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Again that’s a confusing line. Hetzner does not provide (as its main business) “on premise” options as id use that term.

When you get dedicated servers from them, typically it’s VMs on their machines, in their data centers and the hyper scalers have options just like that.

▲ bravetraveler 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Er, sorry to interject... incorrect: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/

Not interested in arguing a pointless distinction like 'main business'. They apparently do everything, even colo. Want a third of a rack or full? If 'retail' metal is too pricey, try their 'server auction' with older equipment.

▲ kasey_junk 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I just want to know what the questioner means is all. I view on-prem as _not_ meaning in the providers data center.

I view bare metal as meaning not virtualized.

Another related but not identical dimension is dedicated or shared.

Hetzner offers options in all those dimensions, but not in the price the question mentions.

▲ bravetraveler 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Hetzner offers options in all those dimensions, but not in the price the question mentions.

Again, incorrect (sorry). $30/m as opposed to $20. Their mistake, I suppose. /s Call it a typo and move on. Rhetorical: how that confuses the question for you, confuses me.

Before we bemoan 'a 50% cost increase', consider: this does quadruple the memory. An additional 48GB on the dedicated non-virtualized box. See: https://www.hetzner.com/sb/

IMO, the $10 on top of $20 is a pittance. Beyond the memory, bonus points: a spare SSD. A small price to reduce administrivia and gain redundancy!

Anyway, pedantry aside, all of this is the question: what does your value judgement look like? You're clearly somewhat familiar with the offerings. Hopefully more-so, now.

While I'm rambling/have the floor, some tangents:

    1. it hasn't made a lot of sense/cents to offer a dedicated *physical* machine with 16GB of memory in quite some time. Now, Cloud? Absolutely. Simplifies Tetris. Physical, though? A knock-off Tamagotchi might make more money after considering power, IPs, and module density for the DDR generation/platform.

    2. I can see reason for hesitation with Hetzner. While I'm a happy customer, they're well-known for being *very* thorough with identification during on-boarding. To the degree that many are uncomfortable.

	▲	kasey_junk 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		When someone says “bare metal” to me, it implies that virtualization is a problem for their workloads. I’d be very surprised if there was a mass increase in workloads that was the case for. I’d be surprised if most of Hetzners existing non-virtualization customers even care. When someone says “on premise” I assume they mean they are running some part of the premise. Whether they are leasing rack space in a broader data center or not, I agree that it’s a continuum, but I’d expect on premise to include negotiating energy and network as part. To me, the more interesting question for this conversation is a)how are you paying for compute, are you doing long term lease/purchase of servers or are you getting short term provisioning of a standard sku and b) are you using “value added” services. Are you provisioning your own data warehouses, specialized database clusters etc, or are you using a managed service? The distinction between a vm on a hyper scalar and per hour provisioning of hetzner compute (virtualized or not) seems pretty straightforward and I’d be shocked if there was some mass migration of those workloads away from the big clouds. I have done workloads where virtualization very much matters and the physical locality of the servers makes a big difference and we are seeing the opposite happen, the cloud providers are dipping their toe in that market which has been closed to them.

▲ vel0city 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think a lot of people would consider having a rack at a colo to be "on-prem". I usually thought of that term meaning you're renting space and the services provided are redundant/reliable power, a public internet drop (or multiple), and physical security. Where you need to rack it yourself, run your own networking gear, etc.

I don't see how that's too functionally different from having a suite at a commercial office building, save for the fact the power and data isn't going to be nearly as reliable. It's just your "suite" is only a bit more than 19" wide.

▲ gkoz 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When you get dedicated servers from them that's exactly what you get: you're renting physical servers, which you manage yourself. And they've been in this business for decades. The VMs offering is much more recent.

	▲	kasey_junk 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They have a cloud product called dedicated as well. I’m not sure what the questioner is arming about. I shouldn’t have said it’s their main business though.