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dev_l1x_be 12 hours ago

People grossly underestimate APTs. It is more common than an average IT curious person thinks. I happened to be oncall when one of these guys hacked into Gmail from our infra. It took principal security engineers a few days before they could clearly understand what happened. Multiple zero days, stolen credit cards, massive social campaign to get one of the Google admins click on a funny cat video finally. The investigation revealed which state actor was involved because they did not bother to mask what exactly they were looking for. AI just accelerates the effectiveness of such attacks, lowers the bar a bit. Maybe quite a bit?

f311a 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of people behind APTs are low-skilled and make silly mistakes. I worked for a company that investigates traces of APTs, they make very silly mistakes all the time. For example, oftentimes (there are tens of cases) they want to download stuff from their servers, and they do it by setting up an HTTP server that serves the root folder of a user without any password protection. Their files end up indexed by crawlers since they run such servers on default ports. That includes logs such as bash history, tool logs, private keys, and so on.

They win because of quantity, not quality.

But still, I don't trust Anthropic's report.

marcusb 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The security world overemphasizes (fetishizes, even,) the "advanced" part because zero days and security tools to compensate against zero days are cool and fun, and underemphasizes the "persistent" part because that's boring and hard work and no fun.

And, unless you are Rob Joyce, talking about the persistent part doesn't get you on the main stage at a security conference (e.g., https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDJb8WOJYdA)

lxgr 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Important callout. It starts with comforting voices in the background keeping you up to date about the latest hardware and software releases, but before you know it, you've subscribed to yet another tech podcast.

sidewndr46 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're telling me you were targeted by Multiple Zero Days in 1 single attack?

dev_l1x_be 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Google was.

ikiris 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's generally how actual APT attacks go, yes.

jmkni 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you mean APT (Advanced persistent threat)?

names_are_hard 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's confusing. Various vendors sell products they call ATPs [0] to defend yourself from APTs...

[0] Advanced Threat Protection

jmkni 11 hours ago | parent [-]

relevant username :)

chasd00 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i seriously thought APT meant advanced persistent teen

dev_l1x_be 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, sorry typo.

dang 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I've taken the liberty of fixing it in your post. I hope that's ok!

dev_l1x_be 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Absolutely, thank you!