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| ▲ | pbh101 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Tesla announced they are adding it this week. Ford’s CEO expressed glee at GM removing it. There isn’t a CarPlay App Store nor downloads to get 30% from (or if there were, they’d appreciably be enabled by Apple’s platform as we aren’t in the habit of subscribing to or buying apps for our car today), and while we don’t know the licensing terms from the GM removal it sounded like privacy violations and extra subscription revenue are their motivations for dropping CarPlay. That doesn’t sound consumer friendly on the carmakers part at all. I think this field doesn’t line up with the overall thesis, squint as we might. | | |
| ▲ | bitpush 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Tesla's news is interesting. A good question to ask in this who's in control in Tesla x CarPlay relationship. The answer is obviously former (Apple can't dictate anything and Tesla gets to boss around). That's very different from a Toyota x Apple partnership. So no, those are two different scenarios. The era of Apple controlling the platform is gone. (Except for legacy ones) | | |
| ▲ | buzzerbetrayed 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is the Tesla relationship with CarPlay different than the Toyota one? You didn’t make that clear at all. | | |
| ▲ | bitpush 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | People buy Tesla for Tesla and not because CarPlay. But CarPlay is a purchasing decision factor for other brands, which means a power imbalance exists. So this is a classic game theory situation. You want all participants (Toyota, Honda, Ford) to cooperate (not have CarPlay) and not defect. So participants watch each others move. If they stick together, all of them stand to win. If one defect, in the short term they might win but in the long-term Apple will seek to commoditize the car maker. | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > People buy Tesla for Tesla and not because CarPlay. They increasingly just don't buy Tesla. Strong growth in that segment lately. I recall though, back in 2021 we rented one as a test drive situation. The UX was so horrific I did an immediate 180 on that idea. Hard pass. Carplay might've saved that sale, their stock infotainment is trash. I wouldn't be surprised if they go all on in Carplay Ultra near the end. | | |
| ▲ | bitpush 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I'm aware. I have no love for Tesla. I was making an observation of what I see around me (plenty of new Teslas on the road even after Elons shenanigans) |
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| ▲ | lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tesla did not announce it. Bloomberg published an article speculating it. And Bloomberg has been wrong before. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-13/tesla-is-... >Tesla Inc. is developing support for Apple Inc.’s CarPlay system in its vehicles, according to people with knowledge of the matter, working to add one of the most highly requested features by customers. >The carmaker has started testing the capability internally, according to the people, who asked not to be identified because the effort is still private. |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Huh? Apple does not charge for CarPlay. Some automakers are trying to give them the boot, but that has nothing to do with Apple's greed and everything to do with the automakers' greed. They want their own ecosystem of apps. | | |
| ▲ | bitpush 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Huh? Apple does not charge for CarPlay. I'll let you in on a secret. Ask yourself what the business case of CarPlay is. "Why" should Apple do CarPlay. Put yourself in the shoes of a VP at Apple pitching CarPlay. Are they saying "let's invest millions of dollars in inventing the UI for cars and give it away for free, for .. goodwill?" Nope, the slide deck would say 'Cars are the next computing platform. That's where most people spend time. So imagine is we (Apple) were meaningful present there .. and that's why we need to invest in it' So, yes CarPlay is a move to control another computing formfactor. One they do not manufacturer (like tv and Apple TV) ...and unfortunately for them, car makers are wiser this time around. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A simpler explanation is that all of these little conveniences add up to keeping customers firmly embedded in the ecosystem, repeatedly buying new iPhones. And sure, if we can offer another environment where an App Store purchase can be used, great. > unfortunately for them, car makers are wiser this time around Maybe. Ditching CarPlay does not currently seem like the wise decision, given how many of us have decided that omitting it is a deal killer. I love my Lightning, but I do not for one nanosecond trust that Ford would keep the app ecosystem on my truck running as long as Apple will keep iOS working on iPhones. |
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| ▲ | buzzerbetrayed 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > for very good reason. The reasons are subscription revenue and user data. Not sure which of those you consider very good. |
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