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saulpw 9 hours ago

In the Viable System Model[0], "doing the thing" is System 1. Yes of course you need System 1 or the thing won't get done.

But in any viable system, you also have the "meta-systems", Systems 2-5:

- System 2: coordination between multiple Systems 1 (which includes prioritization, communication, and exceptional conditions)

- System 3: resource allocation and process development

- System 4: strategy and risk management

- System 5: values and holistic organizational design

As a human, you are also striving to be a viable system. You can't only just "do the thing", you have to:

- prioritize which thing to do

- take notes and keep records to communicate between past and future versions of yourself

- make sure you have the requisite resources for doing the thing

- construct your environment and processes for long-term success (habits not motivation)

- consider what happens when the thing is done and how it fits into your larger strategy

- keep your head and heart connected to make sure you're doing the right thing

None of these things are doing the thing! But they're also rather essential for getting the right things done well.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_system_model

chairmansteve 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thing is, you have to start doing the thing to figure out what things you need to do the thing.

atoav an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Well, to really know how things would pan out, you have to indeed do the thing.

And it happens that people will procrastinate with preparation. But as someone who does not and is fast at doing things I can tell you that if I want something done really fast preparation will be a good chunk of a projects time. If I want to toy around and the project doesn't matter that much, just doing the thing may do the trick.

Now the advice on that site aims to get people started with the actual work part and tries to do so by telling you preparation doesn't matter. That is not true. But it is true that people prepare forever because they are afraid to cross the threshold where they start translating grand ideas into concrete, protentially flawed reality. That means actually good advice would deal with the question where this fear comes from, how to address it and how to notice you have been preparing too long.

If you want to build a house, drawing the plans and finding the right location where to put said house is part of building a house. Or you could just mash bricks on top of each other in your backyard and then realize you forgot the foundation.

satisfice 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. Also, attempting to do the thing and failing is indeed doing the thing. (although you may only know in retrospect)

jstummbillig 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Certainly, but don't get confused: You are not doing the thing, until you do the thing.

There are many ways to do the thing. There are many more ways to not do the thing.

saulpw 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's right, you're not producing paperclips unless one minute you have metal wire and the next minute you have a paperclip.

kspacewalk2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh you are absolutely doing the thing in this situation, as in you're in the process of doing it, somewhere between 1% and 99% of the way there depending on the context. You haven't done the thing until you actually fully do the thing, it is true. But most of the work could be in this preparatory meta work, and of course it means nothing without the final all important step of doing the thing, but there you have it, doing the thing before having fully done the thing.

taneq 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Au contraire! Almost all the time you spend doing the thing is actually doing the things required before the final completion of the thing. I've taken to calling this "the work before the work" and it's at least 90% of the work.

Example: I get asked at the start of a project to provide ModbusTCP comms mapping for a new control panel, so that the client can start integrating it into their SCADA system. It's just a spreadsheet, maybe 100 rows, how hard could it be? They need it right now, why am I telling them it'll take 6 months?

Typing the addresses and descriptions into the spreadsheet is 'the work', and it only takes an afternoon, but it can't start until we do the work before the work:

- To document the ModbusTCP mapping I need to the PLC program

- To finish the PLC program I need the electrical drawings

- To finish the electrical drawings, the electrical engineer needs the device list, datasheets for all the devices, and the functional spec

- To finish the device list and functional spec, we need to agree with the client exactly what we're building and what it's meant to do

None of these things are 'the work' but all of them are 'the work before the work' and usually nobody wants to do, to wait for, or pay for this work.

satisfice 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can’t know in the moment whether the thing you are doing is doing the thing. In retrospect alone does it become clear.

wnc3141 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This would have been neat in business school

chairmansteve 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Business school is a great way to postpone doing the thing...

mhdi_kr99 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

writing this reply on hackernews is not "doing the thing" bro.

saulpw 9 hours ago | parent [-]

You have no idea what my thing is and whether or not I'm doing it via this post on HN.

satisfice an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Some replies I have made in Hacker news I later expanded, refined, and included in my classes or books.

dullcrisp 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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