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America is doing South Korea a favor. It could ratchet sanctions (see: Iran) and ravage SK’s position and economic power on the global stage without its sign-off.

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hearsathought 15 hours ago | parent [-]

> America is doing South Korea a favor.

No. America is doing itself a favor. Not south korea.

> It could ratchet sanctions (see: Iran) and ravage SK’s position and economic power on the global stage without its sign-off.

So you are saying that korea is not a sovereign state like iran but a vassal to the US. Maybe the US could protect korea (see: Israel) and send billions of taxpayer dollars to korea.

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JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent [-]

> No. America is doing itself a favor. Not south korea.

You realise a deal can be both?

> you are saying that korea is not a sovereign state like iran but a vassal

False dichotomy. Korea is not as sovereign as the US, Russia or China because it's not a global nuclear power. Whether Seoul or Tehran are functionally more sovereign is an interesting question that isn't easily answered.

> Maybe the US could protect korea (see: Israel) and send billions of taxpayer dollars to korea

...do you think we don't?

	▲	hearsathought 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> You realise a deal can be both? Realize. If you are going to pretend you are american, learn to spell like one. > False dichotomy. It's not a false dichotomy. Please take a few courses in philosophy and logic before throwing fancy terms around. > Korea is not as sovereign as the US, Russia or China because it's not a global nuclear power. "As sovereign". Sovereignty isn't a matter of degrees. It's more like being pregnant. You are or you are not. > Whether Seoul or Tehran are functionally more sovereign is an interesting question that isn't easily answered. It's not interesting at all because tehran isn't militarily occupied by a foreign power. > ...do you think we don't? "We" do? Don't think south korea has the lobbying power or influence that israel does. If it did, it'd have the enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons that israel has.

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JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Or maybe Korea could be like India...and not be part of it

Sure. That comes with costs. Cost that may not make sense for Korea, which is a defense exporter globally and within the American-led Pacific alliance.

(Operating a nuclear shipyard and supply chain is incredibly expensive. It's would also be a high-value target for Pyongynag.)

> your native country

Is this a troll account? (EDIT: 4 months old. Peeked through comment history. All flamebait and racism. Flagged.)

> a loophole seoul doesn't need

You're using the word "need" ambiguously. It's a loophole Seoul benefits from. It gets the benefits of being an NPT signatory and alliance member. And it gets nuclear submarines.

We can debate the costs and benefits. But Seoul wasn't coerced into building a nuclear submarine. Put plainly, it's unclear what security benefits it gets from one given it doesn't project into blue waters.

> You act like america is doing korea a favor

Within narrow confines, it is. Within broader confines, it's acting as the senior security partner. That obviously involves a cession of sovereignty. Same goes for Pakistan vis-a-vis China, or Belarus with Russia.

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hearsathought 15 hours ago | parent [-]

> Is this a troll account?

If you have to ask, no. But then again, since you went through my comment history, you know it's not.

> (EDIT: 4 months old. Peeked through comment history. All flamebait.)

Flamebait? That's rich coming from you.

> Same goes for Pakistan vis-a-vis China,

Are you seriously comparing nuclear armed pakistan/china with south korea/US? You are so unserious that it's hard to take you seriously.

You truly are an expert at everything. Where do you find the time with your nonstop posting here.

	▲	JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Where do you find the time with your nonstop posting I fit it in between investing, skiing and flying. (My cat is already comfortable in helicopters and flying commercial, so I don’t think it will be a big step into a smaller plane.)