| ▲ | Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most(nautil.us) |
| 101 points by dnetesn 7 days ago | 40 comments |
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| ▲ | taurath an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| No, one study doesn’t upend the last few decades of understanding of emotional attachment. The study simply says that ability to connect w friends is more predictive than observations they made of apparent attachment of parents. This happens much later so of course it’s more predictive of the actual end effects - that’s when attachment styles actually show up for the first time. Kids grow up to be very adaptive toward their parents but when they get to the rest of society that’s when the failures of connection and the failed bids for attention show up. A very resilient kid will do fine with friends even with a very bad attachment environment. A very sensitive kid or one with developmental problems will struggle in social environments. |
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| ▲ | jonahx 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Also, even the proposed effect is modest: > But early friendship bonds played an even bigger part than maternal relationships in the ways people navigated adult friendships and romantic partnerships, accounting for 4 percent of the variance in adults’ romantic partner- and best friend-specific attachment anxiety, and 10 to 11 percent in their partner- and best friend-specific avoidance. Just slightly less modest that analogous parental predictors, according to their claims. | |
| ▲ | parpfish 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | One study doesn’t definitively prove anything, but this is a 30 year longitudinal analysis with 700 participants. It’s way bigger than a typical study |
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| ▲ | pedalpete 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My first reaction was to refute this, but I think I've convinced myself this may be correct, assuming attachment styles are the right frame. I've been painted with the Avoidant brush, and logically it makes sense, broken home, removed from mother, moved regularly changing schools once a year for 5 years. However, my siblings are the opposite. We come from the same house, they didn't change schools as often as I did, which made me wonder how we could be so different. But when looked through the lens of friendships forming the attachment style, it makes more sense. I changed schools more often than my siblings, and therefore had more friendship changes, and less ability for attachment. |
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| ▲ | interroboink 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also, beware of taking generalities (such as the claims of this study) and applying that directly that to your specific life, or anyone else's. I mean, I like your comment and am glad you got thinking about this, but it's just a line of reasoning that I see a lot and I wish I saw less, so that's why I bring it up (: "True for most people" does not imply "true for me" or "true for that person over there". And the reverse is not valid either, of course - "true for me" does not imply "true for most people." There's always some tension between people's individual anecdotes and experiences (which are fascinating, and I like), and the claims of broader studies like this one. Sometimes I try to remind myself of this with the "on average, people have 2.3 children" factoid. Obviously, nobody actually has 2.3 children; the general truth does not necessarily apply to specific individuals; potentially not even a single one. | | |
| ▲ | pedalpete an hour ago | parent [-] | | 100% agree. I actually think of attachment styles like this generally. Your upbringing does not dictate your life, it influences. |
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| ▲ | cheesecompiler an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The family is a system, with different roles played by each participant. For instance, in toxic families, there is often one scapegoat, with an anxious attachment style, that affords the avoidant types in the family to participate in delusions. What are the dynamics like of everyone in your family? | |
| ▲ | jcims 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Similar story here. Six schools by seventh grade. I think it does mess with you a bit. | | |
| ▲ | faidit 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Same. The only friends that stuck around were people from the internet. |
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| ▲ | voidfunc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Didn't really have friends as a kid, probably explains why I prefer the cold glow of a computer. |
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| ▲ | 64718283661 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Same, so what should one do if AI ruins it? It hasn't yet. It's not good enough, but with the amount of money pouring in I think it could be cracked within 5 years. I hope not.. Coding with AI ruins the enjoyment. And willfully falling behind others using tools to be better than anyone without it isn't good either. I enjoy computers because my skill level is high enough that I can make money on my own and do what I want by using my skills to beat competitors. My research and experiments are meaningful because it is not all so trivial and instantly replicable yet. | |
| ▲ | Aeolun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not sure this is generalizable. I had lots of friends as a kid. Still prefer the computer :) | |
| ▲ | nrhrjrjrjtntbt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Know what you mean |
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| ▲ | djmips 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've observed children who have had tremendous close friends in childhood but were unable to recreate that in adulthood. Sometimes it's easier to make friends when you're 5. |
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| ▲ | herpdyderp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd still rather be friends with a bunch of 5 year olds. (Unfortunately everyone would probably think that's super creepy.) | | |
| ▲ | kayodelycaon an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s really sad that that’s considered creepy. I got a lot of flak for going to a high school play in my late twenties. I had played D&D with the kid and his mom every week for years. He was great to hang out with when he was 14. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake an hour ago | parent [-] | | The whole country is engrossed in a decade+ long "pedo panic" to the point where you can't support a friend's kid by attending a school play, take them for ice cream, or (sometimes) even take your own child to the park without getting the side-eye from nosey nobodies. |
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| ▲ | Aeolun an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Kids in that age range are uncomplicated. The only thing they really desire is that you play with them. They just don’t consider anything beyond that. But it seems hard for many adults to play with children, so it becomes this anomalous thing, even though I’m fairly certain it’s just something we’ve convinced ourselves adults “don’t do”. Tag is still fun, whether you are 7 or 37. |
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| ▲ | lordnacho 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > But early friendship bonds played an even bigger part than maternal relationships in the ways people navigated adult friendships and romantic partnerships, accounting for 4 percent of the variance in adults’ romantic partner- and best friend-specific attachment anxiety, and 10 to 11 percent in their partner- and best friend-specific avoidance. Are those numbers r-squared figures? Seems like there's a lot more variance to be explained? |
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| ▲ | kayodelycaon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it’s a bit more general than that because I didn’t have any “childhood friends”, just bullies who were never punished. What I did have was a great number of excellent adults in my life. In many ways, they were more my peers than anyone my own age. Their example and support made my parents instruction significantly more effective despite the serious challenges with my mental health that they didn’t know how to handle. |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On the participants composition: > 705 participants and their families over 3 decades, from the time participants were infants until they were approximately 30 years old (Mage = 28.6, SD = 1.2; 78.7% White, non-Hispanic, 53.6% female, 46.4% male). It looks like an a fairly culturally homogeneous pannel, it would be interesting to also have a breakdown on religion (especially due to the communal effects) and income. |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | From https://psycnet.apa.org/manuscript/2026-79270-001.pdf The income data:
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Student status
Part-time 34 (4.9%)
Full-time 61 (8.7%)
Employment
Part-time, for pay 85 (12.1%)
Full-time, for pay 516 (73.7%)
Individual income
<US $10,000 78 (11.1%)
US $10,000–$29,999 167 (23.9%)
US $30,000–$49,999 179 (25.6%)
US $50,000–$99,999 213 (30.4%)
US $100,000+ 63 (9.0%)
Household income
<US $20,000 75 (10.8%)
US $20,000–$49,999 163 (23.5%)
US $50,000–$99,999 248 (35.7%)
US $100,000–$149,999 126 (18.1%)
US $150,000+ 83 (11.9%) |
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| ▲ | CTDOCodebases 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it just boils down to who did you experience strong emotion with and what are/were the outcomes of that relationship. |
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| ▲ | webspinner 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i probably spent more time at my friend's houses, than at my parents house when I was a kid! |
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| ▲ | shalmanese 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We've known roughly this since The Nurture Assumption (1998). Where parents do have an impact is in being able to choose the social circles their children are immersed in. |
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| ▲ | maxerickson 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The discussion of toddlers more or less code switching is quite interesting. Once they have a sense of self, even little kids will be very careful about revealing their home life to their school friends, and the same about school to their parents. |
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| ▲ | throwattached 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In case this can be helpful to somebody else, I spent my ~twenties ignorant of what attachment styles were, while definitely exhibiting some very, very obvious attachment patterns. And I made a lot of mistakes, and made a lot of people close to me sad. Reading the "Attached" book was a huge wake-up call. According to the questionnaire, for what it's worth, I was exhibiting ~100% avoidant behavior. This led to therapy, and to a lot of atonement, and growth. I just came here to say - if you have a minute, give it a read. And for fun, try the questionnaire: https://archive.org/details/AttachementTheory/page/n37/mode/... Best of luck |
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| ▲ | ivan_ah 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Direct link to study abstract: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2026-79270-001 PDF: https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2026-79270-001.pdf |
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| ▲ | bonsai_spool 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Here’s another report that speaks with the researchers directly https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-childhood-rel... And the paper: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2026-79270-001 |
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| ▲ | Terr_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Potentially worrisome news for the pandemic-isolation cohort, with their outlier experience. |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Potentially beneficial as well, if they had less toxicity and/or had stronger family bonds than otherwise. There's so many variable, I think we can only say they could be different, who knows if t will be for better or worse, or neither. |
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| ▲ | DFHippie 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In general your kids' friends are much more important to them in the long run than you are. You are always there, but their friends represent the society they will be sinking or swimming in. They turn away from you and your tastes and opinions for a reason: their survival depends on understanding the tastes and opinions of their peers. You will stick with them (usually). Their peers are free to abandon them. Peer relationships are fragile but important. Parent-child relationships, however important, are much more durable, so they require less attention from the child. |
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| ▲ | DFHippie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | To elaborate a bit: your parenting is much more likely to affect how your kids parent their kids. And, for better or for worse, mostly what they'll be doing is avoiding the mistakes you made. Your mom was distant and judgmental? You'll be super attentive and supportive, assuming your kids need what you wanted. And quite likely you'll overshoot the mark and set up a pitfall your kids will avoid when it's their turn. And they will then overshoot the mark. The cycle of parenting. Hakuna Matata. | | |
| ▲ | KerrAvon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is this anecdata/personal folklore/"common sense" or is this based on science? It sounds like the former, tbh. Things tend to be more complex than this. | | |
| ▲ | arjie 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I suspect it's the former, but it doesn't seem outrageous (like all "common sense"). I think the hard part is to replicate the parts one's parents did right. Like IT, when someone gets things right, they're invisible. When they get things wrong, it seems like the only thing they ever did. This is part of why I want my children's grandparents involved as much as possible in their life. I need to \alpha \times \grandparents + (1 - \alpha) \times \parents my kids. |
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| ▲ | _wire_ 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, and to whom does a childhood friend first attach? |
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| ▲ | cjbarber 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Indeed, title should perhaps be: The parents of your kids' friends shape the attachment style of your kids | | |
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| ▲ | kappi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| duplicate post of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45790575 |