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Normal_gaussian 4 hours ago

Valve certainly won't win it, but they're bringing the heat where it wasn't before.

SteamOS is the important part here - if it is proven to be a good console experience (which the deck has basically proven already) then licensing of the OS to other manufacturers will put a lot of pressure on integrated h/w s/w manufacturers.

Unlike the handheld format, the tvbox console is fairly easy to manufacture and is tolerant of a lot of spec and price variety. Any slip up by Sony and Microsoft in specs and price will result in steam machine variants carving away market share, which could force more frequent console releases.

The steam machine will almost certainly come in at a higher price point than the PS5, but with no 'online' subscription charge and reasonably priced storage upgrades we may see these revenue streams disappear from the next console generation in order to compete.

SteamOS isn't perfect, and the variety inherent in the platform that is a strength is also a weakness. The core markets for Nintendo and for Sony aren't going anywhere.

tombert 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My main game console right now is one of those little gaming boxes you can buy on Amazon for about $400, where I have installed NixOS + Jovian to get the "SteamOS" interface.

I really like it. It really does feel like a "game console"; usually when I've made my own console using Linux, it always feels kind of janky. For example, RetroPie on the Raspberry Pi is pretty cool, but it doesn't feel like a proper commercial product, it feels like a developer made a GUI to launch games.

I have like 750 games on Steam that I have hoarded over the years, in addition to the Epic Games Store and GOG, which can be installed with Heroic, and the fact that I can play them on a "console" instead of a computer makes it much easier to play in my living room or bedroom. It even works fine with the Xbox One controllers; I use the official Microsoft USB dongle to minimize latency, it works great.

I think there actually is a chance that Valve could really be a real competitor, if not a winner.

Mistletoe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you have link to the little gaming box?

tombert 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yep! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D733JFML?th=1

The one I ordered had 32 gigs of memory; this was more than a year ago so I'm sure there are better ones now, but I have to say that I feel like this thing "punches above its weight" in that it does seem to run a lot more stuff than I thought it would at a decent framerate.

feffe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Steam on Linux works really well now. I sort of built my own steam machine a few months back with a framework desktop that now sits in my TV rack. Gaming on it is a really good experience. Had to buy a PS5 controller though because I could not get the XBOX controller to work over bluetooth which was a bit of a bummer. For me the new controller is most interesting as most games have XBOX controller support (with xbox button captions) and the steam controller adopts the button naming.

zeta0134 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

I just built one of these as well. For your Xbox controller, see if this works: find any Windows PC and download the Xbox Accessories app. Connect the controller (via USB) and update its firmware. Once I did this, I was able to pair it with the framework desktop via bluetooth (under linux) reliably, and it's been rock solid ever since. Apparently some of the models shipped with buggy firmware that linux really doesn't like for whatever reason.

robomc 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I mean... can I play Fortnite, BF6 or the upcoming GTA on steamOS?

Normal_gaussian 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably not. Kernel level anti cheat is the problem. I know BF6 isn't proton safe. Fortnite is the same.

GTA VI will probably run single player on proton fine, GTA V does. Multiplayer will probably not.

The multiplayer with kernel level anti cheat will keep Sony safe through at least another generation; Microsoft is less safe as they're so vulnerable this generation anyway.

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bathtub365 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s unlikely you’ll be able to play GTA 6 on any PC platform as it’s only coming out on consoles.

Agentlien an hour ago | parent [-]

At least to start. Microsoft strongly encourages all Xbox games to also come out on PC, though they sometimes release later. I cannot find any game developed originally for Xbox Series X|S where this hasn't happened eventually (and the developers definitively aren't still working on the PC version).

wraptile 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These are not winner games these days. Gaming trends are so fast that indie games like the one where you play a duck with a gun is what's driving the gaming community these days.

itsn0tm3 an hour ago | parent [-]

I would say that‘s a bit overly simplified, as much as the indie or indie like game scene is thriving, so is the online multiplayer scene. Gaming is huge and just because one thing is big doesn’t mean another is not. Not a zero sum game here.

wraptile 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure but not being able to play 4 games is not an indication of success either way. It's not 2012 when you had to have Call of Duty - you can not have battlefield, cod or fort nite and still never run out of incredible, popular games to play.

SkiFire13 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you have a bunch of friends that have battlefield/cod/fortnite and want to play them, they will still do so without you, or at least heavily pressure you into getting them.

brendoelfrendo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, and I understand if that's a deal-breaker for you, but for me I refuse avoid kernel level anticheat wherever possible, so I'm none too fussed about it. If a game wants to run malware, it can do it on a console where it's nice and segmented off from my general-purpose computing.

rowanG077 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That you are talking about a hypothetical game not running says enough...

rvz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If any game has DRM or anti-cheat technology which BF6 does and even most AAA games, then it cannot play it at all without it.

That is going to be a no go for any SteamOS device when an highly anticipated game gets released on day 1.

ethmarks 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think that the idea is that if you get enough users on Linux, it seems foolish from the game studio's perspective not to add Linux support to their anticheat.

hlfshell 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ARC Raiders runs fine with anticheat on Linux. As does the Finals.

aaomidi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Market pressure can change game studios behavior.

LexiMax 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Battlefield 6 might never run on the average Linux desktop, but I could see a future where it would run on Steam hardware in an end-to-end Secure Boot environment.

Gamers don't like playing with cheaters.

lanfeust6 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Fortnite came out in '17, at some point it's no longer going to be relevant.

jsheard 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Counter Strike came out in '99 and it's more relevant than ever. Some games just keep going and going.

Ferret7446 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I hate to break it to you, but CS is not relevant. How much money do you think it makes, compared to recent top sellers or live service/mobile games?

refulgentis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

About $1B/year.

CS:GO is the highest grossing game on Steam, according to some sources, all agree its top 5.

Why is that irrelevant?

jsheard 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Also consistently the most played game on Steam by a fair margin. That doesn't necessarily make it the most played PC game since some big titles like League and Fortnite aren't on Steam, but it's at least close.