| ▲ | geoffschmidt 7 hours ago |
| But see also the next section ("empowering experienced users"): > We are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified |
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| ▲ | DavideNL 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| > We are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified Sure, they'll keep building it forever — this is just a delay tactic. |
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| ▲ | Aachen 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh! I thought I had found the crucial piece finally after ~500 words, but there's indeed better news in the section after that! Thanks, I can go sleep with a more optimistic feeling now :) Also this will kill any impetus that was growing on the Linux phone development side, for better or worse. We get to live in this ecosystem a while longer, let's see if people keep damocles' sword in mind and we might see more efforts towards cross-platform builds for example |
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| ▲ | ryandrake 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Let's take the "W". This is pretty good news! | | |
| ▲ | Grimblewald 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's like accepting vaders 'altered' deal, and being grateful it hasn't been altered further. If google wants a walled garden, let it wall off it's own devices, but what right does it have to command other manufactures to bow down as well? At this stage we've got the choice of dictato-potato phone prime, or misc flavour of peasant. If you want walled garden, go use apple. The option is there. We don't need to bring that here. | |
| ▲ | catlikesshrimp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I am not english native. Is "The W" a synonym for "A Win", described as a positive outcome after a contest? Is there more nuance or context than that? | | |
| ▲ | arcfour 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, but it's often just "a W" or simply "W" in response to something good or seen as a "win." There is also the same thing with L for loss/loser. "that's an L take", "L [person]", "take the L here", etc. They are pretty straightforward in their meaning, basically what you described. I believe it comes from sports but they are used for any good or bad outcome regardless of whether it was a contest. | |
| ▲ | thristian 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think it's from people reporting sports statistics for a player or team as "W:5 L:7" meaning "five wins and seven losses". https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/l-and-w-slang |
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| ▲ | echelon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is not a win. This is having independent distribution shut down and controlled. We no longer own our devices. We're in a worse state than we were in before. Google is becoming a dictator like Apple. | | |
| ▲ | rbits an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's not being shut down though. The article says that there will be a way to install unverified apps. |
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| ▲ | benatkin 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This isn't a "W", but I am finding my own "W" from this by seeing others distrust Google, and remembering to continue supporting and looking for open alternatives to Google. |
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| ▲ | advisedwang 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That doesn't say that you can just build an APK and distribute it. I suspect this path _still_ requires you to create a developer console account and distribute binaries signed by it... just that that developer account doesn't have to have completed identity verification. |
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| ▲ | rrix2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it's probably just gonna be under the Developer Options "secret" menu |
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| ▲ | magguzu 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which is totally fine IMO, it was weird to me that they weren't going with this approach when they first announced it. Macs blocked launching apps from unverified devs, but you can override in settings. I thought they could just do something along those lines. | | |
| ▲ | hasperdi 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not fine. Some apps particularly banking apps have developer mode detection and refuse to work if developer mode is enabled. | |
| ▲ | kelnos 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not fine at all. A developer who doesn't want to (or can't) distribute through the Play Store will now need to teach their users how to enable developer mode and toggle a hidden setting. This raises the barrier a bit more than the current method of installing outside the Play Store. |
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| ▲ | metadat 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So.. all this drama over an alert(yes/no) box? Wow, this really pulls back the veil. This Vendor (google) is only looking out for numero uno. |
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| ▲ | cesarb 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > So.. all this drama over an alert(yes/no) box? A simple yes/no alert box is not "[...] specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren't tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer". In fact, AFAIK we already have exactly that alert box. No, what they want is something so complicated that no muggle could possibly enable it, either by accident or by being guided on the phone. | | |
| ▲ | Zak 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I imagine what they're going to do involves a time delay so a scammer cannot wait on the phone with a victim while they do it. | | |
| ▲ | kitesay 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree. Waiting to see for how long. Has to be 24 hours at a minimum I'd guess. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > So.. all this drama over an alert(yes/no) box? The angry social media narratives have been running wild from people who insert their own assumptions into what’s happening. It’s been fairly clear from the start that this wasn’t the end of sideloading, period. However that doesn’t get as many clicks and shares as writing a headline claiming that Google is taking away your rights. | | |
| ▲ | devsda 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The angry social media narratives have been running wild from people who insert their own assumptions There may have been exaggerations in some cases but these hand wavy responses like "you can still do X but you just can't do Y and Z is now mandatory" or "you can always use Y" is how we got to this situation in the first place. This is just the next evolution of SafetyNet & play integrity API. Remember how many said use alternatives. Not saying safetynet is bad but I don't believe their intentions were to stop at just that. | |
| ▲ | advisedwang 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think this section is actually the same as the present state just with a new alert box. I suspect they mean you have to create a android developer account and sign the binaries, this new policy just allows you to proceed without completing the identity verification on that account. | |
| ▲ | gumby271 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry what? Their original plan absolutely was the end of sideloading on-device outside of Google's say so. That's what the angry social media narratives were that you seem upset about. Anyone being pedantic and pointing out that adb install is still an option therefore sideloading still exists can fuck off at this point. | |
| ▲ | kcb 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What are you talking about? This change for "experienced users" was only just announced and not part of any previous announcement. It has not been clear from the start at all. | |
| ▲ | lern_too_spel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The angry social media narratives have been running wild from people who insert their own assumptions into what’s happening. No, until this post, Google had said that it wouldn't be possible to install an app from a developer who hadn't been blessed by Google completely on your device. That is unacceptable. This blog post contains a policy change from Google. | |
| ▲ | Superblazer 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you missed the plot entirely? This is absurd |
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| ▲ | gblargg 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Let me guess, a warning box that requires me to give permission to the app to install from third-party sources? Is that not clear enough confirmation that I know what I'm doing? /s |