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andsoitis 6 hours ago

We are trapped in the solar system.

rhubarbtree 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A thousand years ago it was unthinkable we could circumnavigate the globe.

We don’t understand quantum mechanics and we don’t understand gravity. There’s no reason to assume that we won’t find ways to travel the universe, e.g. by manipulating space time. We just don’t know what we don’t know.

If you had to bet based on past achievements, humanity will find a way. Our job is to push the limits as much as we can and build a foundation for future generations.

d_silin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the next 300-500 years, yes. But there is plenty of things to do, stuff to build and room to expand within a light-day from Sun.

SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No other place is habitable within a light day of the sun.

diputsmonro 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A good argument for making sure our planet stays habitable. Caring about the environment isn't just for hippies anymore!

PeaceTed 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That is it. When you become very aware of just how amazingly far away everything else is, fighting over a speak of dust and the only home we have seems absolutely ridiculous.

A great long form video on this is "Shouting at stars : A history of interstellar messages". It really highlights just how empty it all is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFI5WpK2sgg

idkfasayer 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

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mythz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Works up until the earth becomes uninhabitable in 600M years, before then humans are going to need to find and colonize a different planet.

idkfasayer 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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d_silin 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ISS is one such place.

Maxatar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

My understanding is that ISS is not self-sustaining even in principle. It consistently needs to be resupplied with water and breathable air as the station continuously leaks it. These resupplies happen about once every month or two. This article goes into quite a few details about what would be needed for actual self-sustainable human space exploration and it looks like there's quite a few engineering challenges to work out.

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/space-technologies/arti...

PeaceTed 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not only that but they have to routinely boost its orbital velocity as there is still a little atmospheric drag at the height.

selcuka 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, pretty much:

> It will take about 300 years for Voyager 1 to reach the inner edge of the Oort Cloud and possibly about 30,000 years to fly beyond it.

lisbbb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I once watched one of those videos that was a speeded up example of light leaving the sun and showing the time it takes to get to the various planets. It was boring as hell after just a couple of minutes and that's with light way speeded up. My conclusion is that "light is too damn slow."

HPsquared 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The sky is big!

ZhiqiangWang 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

until next "General Relativity" is discovered, and maybe we can get both voyagers back.

echelon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are lots of hypotheses, but this is one of my gut feelings for why there are no aliens in view. It's hard to escape your local solar system.

When will we need more resources than exist here? We'll be mining the sun to run future simulations. Do we need more compute? Seems like we'll just stay inside.

Most life is probably similarly bound up to their origin. That and life is hard by many, many, many hard steps. Earth life is nearly 30% the age of the universe and it took us this long to get here.

It'd be near impossible for aquatic life to have an industrial revolution without aqueous chemistry control. Can't do that when you're stuck inside water. It's also hard to evolve reasoning when you can't see far ahead. Little evolutionary pressure on reasoning over time and distance.

And it's hard to leave water. You need to evolve new eyes and lungs to live on land. And then you need an energy source like O2, which tends not to stick around.

So many reasons.

The distances of space are certainly one holding us back now.

czl 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

One thing I keep wondering, though, is whether “life” is tied more to the particular chemistry and environment it uses or to its patterns (the abstract information structure that can, in principle, be re-instantiated on different substrates).

If it’s the patterns that matter, do you think it’s actually impossible for those patterns to be transmitted across interstellar distances? Just like a cup of ocean water is packed with DNA, it’s at least conceivable that what we call “cosmic background noise” could, in principle, hide extremely compressed life-patterns that only an advanced civilization could recognize and reconstruct back into something we’d meaningfully call “alive.” And of course, the more efficiently you code that information, the more it statistically has to look like random noise.

Not saying this is likely -- just that if the essence of life is informational rather than chemical, "traveling" could look very different for any life that is suitably advanced.

PeaceTed 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The resource thing always gets me. More ideas of things like dyson sphere's. Where does the material from them come from?

JKCalhoun 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sandboxed. Yep.

AndrewKemendo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of course we are, but my question is why is that notable?

You also breathe a nitrogen-oxygen-hydrogen mixture, and have a body that is built to walk around at 1g on a planet between 0-100 degrees F.

That doesn’t seem to bother people.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Of course we are, but my question is why is that notable?

> You also breathe a nitrogen-oxygen-hydrogen mixture, and have a body that is built to walk around at 1g on a planet between 0-100 degrees F.

> That doesn’t seem to bother people.

Humans like to explore. We've populated the globe from our starting position in East Africa.

When we look to the skies, beyond our own galaxy, and into the early history of the universe, we are seeing a world that will never get to explore first-hand. Humans like to explore.

dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean we have a way today to get to a fraction of light speed with the nuclear bombs for propulsion method. Technically it’s even survivable for a person.