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estimator7292 a day ago

We genocided the native Americans. Our president wants to genocide brown people. The government is almost wholly owned by wealthy individuals and corporations. A majority of our government is actively working against the good of humanity, much less the interests of the nation.

America now has a literal secret police abducting real people on the actual streets in broad daylight.

Upon losing the previous election our president staged a coup and faced no consequences and won a reelection.

We are no longer a great, free nation, and you really need to understand that fact. America has been lagging behind the rest of the free world for half a century or more. Pretty much everyone has it better than we do.

bofadeez 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We genocided the native Americans

That's also bad. But two wrongs don't make a right. Natives should have been afforded citizenship and constitutional rights also. The solution isn't to undo progress and take rights away from people again. I thought you were progressive?

> Our president wants to genocide brown people.

This discredits you quite a lot, since I've never heard even the most left-wing public figures insinuate such a wild unsubstantiated thing. If true, that would be deplorable also.

Whether what you're saying is true or false has no bearing on the truth value of what I said. You're just making unrelated angry hyperbolic claims that lack any nuance at all.

jalapenos 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Who's the "we" here? You and your posse genocided native Americans? How are you not behind bars?

anonymouskimmer 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Whenever someone uses "we" to refer to a body politic, and doesn't otherwise specify, it's meant to refer to the collective polity throughout its history.

So, the democratic-republican "we". As compared to the royal "we".

As to why no one was behind bars? Because "we" also made those bars.

jalapenos 20 hours ago | parent [-]

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anonymouskimmer 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Their polities weren't then part of the US polity, so they'd have a separate we. Now they are part of the US polity, so they could include themselves in that we.

But to honestly answer your sarcastic question: There were a bunch of them, and they typically didn't include their fellow natives in their collective understanding of "we" until later years. At the time, and even prior to colonization, various tribes did indeed commit, or participate in, genocide on other tribes. Just like the pseudo-collective "Europeans" did among their tribes.

Some history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_Creek_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_Wars#Indigen...