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asdfman123 3 days ago

I don't necessarily want to live forever, but god I would love to have a quick brain for the rest of my life.

noduerme 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

At 45, this is something that scares me about using AI to write code for me. I view my job not just as a rewarding problem-solving challenge, but also as a vital form of exercise, possibly the only thing in my life that unites my creative brain with my mathematical brain and forces them to work together. I've watched so many family members descend into alzheimers and dementia. My father, who's 89, still reads two newspapers a day, and I think it keeps him sharper than he would be otherwise. But without the goal of solving problems, I think we begin to degenerate. And no one really wants to deal with problems... it's the job that keeps you fit.

utopiah 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> no one really wants to deal with problems... it's the job that keeps you fit.

Is it though? "it is estimated that the number of Chess players is about 800 million globally." according to https://www.chessjournal.com/how-many-chess-players-are-ther... I've read ~600M for Mahjong, CS/PUBG/etc right now tally up to few millions on Steam via https://steamcharts.com etc.

So I think just with famous games we can see that billions of people love to "deal with problems". Games by definition are problems we love to solve. They can be solo, duel, last one standing, 2 teams, N teams, synchronous, asynchronous, turn by turn, etc.

This makes me think on the contrary we are addicted to solving problems. The question then IMHO is more... what are the right problems for you? How do you keep on being challenged just the right way?

tim333 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>it's the job that keeps you fit

I'm not so sure. I think cause and effect might be otherwise - either you quit working when you go gaga, or both are a function of age. Certainly my relatives stayed sharp after retiring but often went a bit demented around 85-90.

There's evidence at least some dementia is related to infections which may be easier to fix than other things. (as in https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/dec/01/the-bra...)

layman51 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have any opinion on rote work, for example data entry, or stuff like scanning the incoming checks or mail for a small office, filing papers, etc.? I sometimes worry that this type of work isn't as much of a brain challenge, but maybe there are some people who don't mind it so much because it gives them time to think.

RyanOD 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this way about playing the piano. I'm primarily a guitarist so the piano is a bit of a challenge for me. I use it as a way to force my memory to think in challenging ways and commit complex content.

asdfman123 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Read books, learn instruments. Lots of things use your brain that you can do.

ngold 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grampa got a little weird at 94. But that was a long to live, and at point he most of the diseases including most of the cancers. He passed just after his tiny 15 year old dog passed. Gramps I still miss you, stubborn old man. Grama was my favorite though.

ridgeguy 3 days ago | parent [-]

Dogs are important. I'm old, and I have two. Wagging tails & licks when I come home are really important, a claim I make comfortably without objective evidence.

steve_adams_86 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Quality of life is very meaningful in the context of lifespan. I suppose that's why the term 'health span' has become more popular. Why live longer if you or the people you love can't enjoy it?

asdfman123 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not even talking about that. I'd love to pound out code like I'm my late 30s the rest of my life.

In fact, it would probably be better than that. I'd be as quick as I was in my 20s but have the experience and knowledge of someone much older.

flatline 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I definitely hit my coding peak somewhere in my late 30s. I don’t know how much slower I actually am, vs how much less I care. For one, I care to not write code that I’m not going to use. I spend way more time planning, talking about, and mulling over the thing I want to build, and I generally get it right the first time. Maybe part of the lesson of experience is not being in such a rush. Second, I’ve written so much code that I just don’t care as much about that activity as I used to. When I’m properly motivated to do something I still feel quick and energetic. I’m learning ASL with my girlfriend and she’s frustrated that I move faster than her, at some 13 years her senior. Maybe it will catch up to me eventually.

sigmonsays 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

These statements really ring home when i'm thinking about my 20s and coding.

Back then, i'd dive right in, start coding, prove what works, figure it out as I go, then have to adapt the existing code to the figured out design. I was much more attached to that code and didn't want to lose it. Today, if I write code, I plan it out, have a good idea of how the pieces will work and then go implement it. And honestly, if the code gets thrown away, it's not the end of the world.

Code is really a small portion of what engineers do...

asdfman123 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Chess players peak in their late 30s too.

anonymars 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Alas, perhaps those are inherent trade-offs, with experience also serving as baggage. After all, how would you code a lookup table that can grow indefinitely with no slowdown?

aaronblohowiak 3 days ago | parent [-]

Pruning

agumonkey 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

more and more i realize that intelligence is a memory-bound process

ridgeguy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fair point, and one of particular interest to me, age 76.

I find my short-term memory is in decline, magnitude depending on specific circumstances. This annoys me, and to a lesser degree, my wife as well. Really, where did I put that damned can opener?

But I also find my ability to find connections among phenomena in my technical field has markedly increased. In addition to my subjective perception, there's an outside measure, the annual rate of patent applications my employer files on my disclosures, and consequent cash bonuses. About a factor of 4x compared to when I was 60. As well (per my wife's telling), I'm better at remembering anniversaries and other significant dates in our lives and those of our family & friends. Anecdata, of course.

I'd say my age-related 'decline' has been uneven regarding details of cognition/memory, and at the moment provides me and my loved ones a better quality of life - certainly not what I expected decades earlier. It's complicated, and I'll be interested to see what more the posted research leads to.

zafka 2 days ago | parent [-]

Thanks for your data points. They are quite encouraging. I was blessed with the ability to remember way more information that most of my peers. Now that I have lost some of that ability, I still retain quite a bit, with slower retrieval times usually. Over all, I really have no room to complain. ( although I still do). The skill I value the most though is finding those connections you speak of. I currently don't have a feel for how that has changed, but I think I am still good to go in that department.

elcritch 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That'd make a good sci-fi story. A world where science can keep anyone alive almost indefinitely but not their full faculties. So you get more and more "zombies" of barely alive senile elderly.

Also if I was a writer I'd call it "Congress" and have it start with senators. ;)

jacquesm 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't tell you how frustrating it is to realize you are not as sharp as you used to be.