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hamdingers 8 hours ago

> But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back.

This can't be it. I was in high school when smartphones were coming out and there was zero tolerance for them or any other electronic devices (dumbphones, ipods, palm pilots, etc) in the classroom.

I don't know when or why it happened but allowing smartphones in school was a conscious choice and a policy change.

zhivota 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty simple really, we're basically all [1] addicted to smartphones, so we basically all [1] advocated for this. After all, to admit it was a problem for our kids, we'd have to also admit it could be a problem for ourselves.

Even I find myself holding onto my phone during most of the day when not on my computer, I don't even know why. It's an incredibly addictive piece of technology.

[1] - to a first order of approximation, yes I know you're the exception

nandomrumber 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Did we ever allow the students to smoke in the classroom?

lobf 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

We allowed it in designated areas outside the classroom between classes…

DavidPiper 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hey, we must have been in high school at the same time. I saw the same thing going through my final years. But when I went back to visit the school a few years after I left... Things were very different.

I'd say there was definitely a grace period (roughly iPhone -> iPhone 4 maybe?) where device addiction wasn't yet normalised, and the real world hadn't ceded control yet. Not sure what happened at the school level after that, but somewhere along the way phones (devices as they were called then) everywhere all the time became very normal.

pessimizer 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Upper-middle class parents addicted to constant communication with their children started complaining about their kid's not being allowed to carry their phones, nearly at the level of implying it was a human rights violation. They combined this with worries about school shootings (that cellphones haven't ever helped with to my knowledge, unless having live recordings of children being murdered is help.)

After they got it, it was instantly allowed everywhere. It was another result of the "activism" of the same suburban let me speak to your manager class that has been ruining everything for the past 20 years.

edit: A lot of parents are constantly texting back and forth with their kids all day. It's basically their social media, especially if they don't have any friends, and I bet in plenty of cases a huge burden to the children.

thelock85 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This.

Schools are not employers that can implement take it or leave it policies. You need coordination and agreement between school leadership, district leadership, staff, and most critically parents to put your foot down on anything while also working to ensure basic safety and decent academic outcomes.

Now that the ills of social media and screen time are mainstream knowledge, it’s easier to make a common sense argument without much pushback.

p00dles 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ugh this is so tragic but I think correct

paulddraper 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed.

There existed a period of time where handheld communication devices existed and were banned.

Sometime later, someone somewhere made a conscious choice to change policy. It didn’t just happen.

therein 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> someone somewhere

Must have been a powerful person.

obscurette 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They were. I was there in edu conferences, training sessions and other events years ago and could observe all this massive FUD which appeared – "smartphones are the future", "all communication will be in social media in the future", "books will not matter", "privacy will not matter", "if we ban smartphones, we will handicap our children" etc. People didn't know better and there was genuine fear in education. Or actually, it's still very much there.