Who? You can use Hetzner and OVH proper instead of US subsidiaries. Using AWS/Azure/GC in Europe these days is pretty risky for more than one reason.

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segfaultex 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think we'll see a lot of companies moving away from public cloud providers in the future, but I don't think it'll be because of any privacy-related concerns.

It rarely makes economic sense to deploy workloads onto the public cloud unless you have critical uptime requirements or need massive elasticity.

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AlanYx 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

FISA and the Stored Communications Act as modified by the CLOUD Act don't distinguish between (i) parent company overseas + US subsidiary and (ii) parent company in US + foreign subsidiary. In both instances the US asserts personal jurisdiction, extending to wherever the data is stored geographically.

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fukka42 17 hours ago | parent [-]

The US has no authority whatsoever over a foreign parent company. The US subsidiary also has no access to "foreign" data.

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potsandpans 17 hours ago | parent [-]

The US by and large can (and does) assert authority outside of its jurisdiction, from which another country can choose to capitulate.

Most of the time countries do, because they are all swapping data on their citizens between themselves to skirt various laws.

In the case where the US really wants something, and the country won't yield, they'll fund contras or destabilize the government (if small enough to be bullied) or impose sanctions so drastic it's effectively a soft act of war.

This is all to say that, the US has nearly unlimited authority while it stands as the world's defacto superpower.

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thewebguyd 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The unfortunate truth, 300,000 years later and humans still operate on "might makes right" whether militarily, or economically.

	▲	fukka42 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If the violent, untrustworthy, Americans choose to go to war with their former allies over some data then that's their choice. Better than just giving these warmongers everything they want.

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fukka42 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They can assert what they want, they have no way to enforce it.

Pretty funny you're jumping straight to warfare. This proves why Americans cannot be trusted.

In any case, it's better for me that the Americans will need to start a war with the EU to get at my data instead of just giving it to them.

	▲	segfaultex 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I'd argue that placing faith in any large institution is folly. Especially when that institution has a bunch of perverse incentives to act immorally. Any nation with any amount of leverage has abused it.
	▲	potsandpans 17 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		We agree, I'm not saying anything is good or desirable. Just pointing out, this is how they achieve overreach: coercion.