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submeta 16 hours ago

Ah, and they never review iPhones/Android phones after Israeli companies demonstrated they can backdoor any cellphone on this planet, and especially after they demonstrated they can explode consumer devices and maim 3000+ people overnight.

They don’t review Windows machines either after the Snowden revelations.

How many wars did the Chinese start in the past century?

avereveard 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Glad you asked

1929 – Sino-Soviet Conflict (Chinese Eastern Railway) — ROC authorities moved to seize the CER in Manchuria; the USSR responded militarily. (Initiation: ROC seizure.) 1954–1955 – First Taiwan Strait Crisis — PRC began large-scale shelling of Kinmen/Matsu and amphibious operations (e.g., Yijiangshan). (Initiation: PRC artillery/offensives.) 1958 – Second Taiwan Strait Crisis — PRC opened intense bombardment of Kinmen/Matsu. (Initiation: PRC artillery.) 1962 – Sino-Indian War — PRC launched major offensives in October after a series of frontier incidents. (Initiation: PRC large-scale attack; India calls it unprovoked, PRC says “counter-attack.”) 1967 – Nathu La & Cho La clashes (India border) — Firefights erupted while India was fencing the pass; Chinese forces are generally assessed to have fired first at Nathu La. (Initiation: PRC fire in initial clash.) 1969 – Sino-Soviet Border Conflict — PLA ambushed Soviet troops on Zhenbao/Damansky Island in March; further clashes followed. (Initiation: PRC ambush.) 1974 – Battle of the Paracel Islands (vs South Vietnam) — PLAN/PLA forces expelled RVN units and took full control of the Paracels. (Initiation: PRC naval attack in contested area.) 1979 – Sino-Vietnamese War — PRC invaded northern Vietnam in February. (Initiation: PRC cross-border invasion.) 1984–1989 – Sino-Vietnamese Border War (post-1979 phase) — PRC mounted periodic offensives and artillery duels (e.g., Laoshan/Johnson Mountain). (Initiation: multiple PRC attacks in a protracted conflict.) 1988 – Johnson South Reef Skirmish (Spratlys, vs Vietnam) — PLAN engaged Vietnamese forces and seized the reef. (Initiation: PRC assault during standoff.)

Internal (civil/unification campaigns) 1926–1928 – Northern Expedition — ROC (KMT) launched a national unification war against warlords. (Initiation: ROC campaign.) 1930–1934 – Encirclement Campaigns against the Chinese Soviet — ROC initiated successive large operations against CCP base areas. (Initiation: ROC offensives.) 1949–1950 – Hainan & Zhoushan/Coastal-Islands Campaigns — PRC amphibious operations against ROC-held islands during the civil war endgame. (Initiation: PRC landings.) 1950–1951 – Tibet (Chamdo campaign → occupation) — PLA entered eastern Tibet and compelled the Seventeen-Point Agreement. (Initiation: PRC invasion; PRC frames as “peaceful liberation.”)

mywittyname 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This doesn't include their current border conflicts with India, which could potentially go hot.

maxglute 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Glad you listed, because that data shows apart from Sino Vietnamese almost half a century ago, PRC launched basically no wars of aggression, i.e. everything including SCS was territorial defense, i.e just. And if it was in chart form, the peace disease lull in last 30 years relative to PRC growth makes modern PRC rise the most unprescedently peaceful in modern history, borderline on absurdly serenity. Truly somehting to emulate. Can you believe those Eurocusk gave a Peace prize to Obama?

int_19h 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The invasion of Zhenbao island was "territorial defense", really?

DeH40 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Before asking this question, can you Google "Zhenbao Island" first?

kelnos 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Way to move the goalposts. GGP asked for wars within the last century, and GP provided such a list.

Regardless, not sure why any of this matters. I'm not one of those "China bad!" hand-wringers, but if you don't believe the Chinese government is a threat to western countries' sovereignty and economies, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

maxglute 13 hours ago | parent [-]

It's explaining / contextualizing the data, aka most of that list is "defensive" and limited in scope, which different vs products from actors who are expeditionary happy. The data shows PRC... having inherited 14 land borders conflicts from ROC, have largely limited use of force to just territorial sovereingty issues, which btw 12/14 have been resolved in last 40 years, essentially all with PRC concessions. Combine with PRC growth and subsequent rise, PRC peace is historic abboration, i.e. the PRC threat to wesern sovereignty is FUD outside customary state activities like espionage. Now if west wants to weaponize PRC threat/FUD to disguise the threat to genuinely competitive PRC products that will stomp their domestic industries, then sure, that's geopolitics 101.

avereveard 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ask how serene fishermen in the area are while their country sovereignty on internationally recognized territorial water is infringed upon regularly

maxglute 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Except you know, NOT internationally recognized except to manufactured misconception by headline scanning useful idiots. Reminder PH PCA ruling is not actual international law, as in recognized by UN/UNCLOS, ITLOS, ICJ. TBH its demonstrably stupid to even hold the position UNCLOS can rule on sovereignty claims - they fucking can't. To suggest PRC is infringing on others maritime entitlement in SCS is so stupid it's not even wrong because under UNCLOS it's not even legally possible. And also you know, who cares about a few butthurt fisherman, lol, like that's mild as fuck complaints on the spectrum of territorial drama. Every time people bring up muh fisherman they're just highlighting how generous PRC is behaving.

queenkjuul 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It's amazing how some upset fisherman look the same as a million murdered civilians in a lot of people's eyes

avereveard an hour ago | parent [-]

of course it doesn't, and I encourage you to quote where that was claimed.

that neither help nor comfort the fisherman. being third or fourth at the Oppression Olympic doesn't mean that less oppressed people have to suck it up and roll over.

what a weird line of reasoning.

bpt3 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why don't you go see what the PRC's neighbors think about your "territorial defense" claims about these activities in the SCS?

And what's the going rate for posting this nonsense online?

maxglute 12 hours ago | parent [-]

You mean the 12/14 land borders disputee who settled with PRC ceding 50%+ concessions. Probably very happy because again objectively that is magnanimous by historic standards. For SCS where PRc offers to share but retarded democratic countries can't becausen itd political suicide, even now it's really just PH being a cunt. Otherwise unsettled land borders left is India and Bhutan because bhutan border ratification is linked to India's. So the answer is most of the neighbours think PRC did them a solid. Going rate for free math lesson that PRC has equals/most borders in the world and relations with most neighbours are good is free. Combo free geopolitical lesson that it's not good with the ones with US military cooperation that generates most propaganda.

bpt3 12 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that's not what I'm talking about, and you probably should get your information on foreign affairs from somewhere other than China Daily.

maxglute 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I get information from everywhere but reality has a china daily bias. This isn't complicated, you ask about PRC relation with neighbours I point out blind spot to of those with poor foriegn policy literacy, i.e. those who don't read enough china daily, that PRC has a lot of neighbours and most of them are in fact settled with PRC majority concessions and now at peace. If we're going to go even more China daily, essentially 100% of PRC disputes were inherited from ROC not only has PRC not caused any of the disputes, they have been borderline treasonous in unwinding through mostly diplomacy and minimum violence.

bpt3 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Keep deflecting and spinning.

jjangkke 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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