> Let's say that you visit a government office for a driving license. Should you pay a bribe to the official?

We formalized it! It is called an application fee, and it is set high enough so they the government employee doesn't need to take bribes outside of their salary.

Other countries set application fees so low that government employees barely earn enough money to eat, so they take bribes.

NYC solves a huge part of their police corruption problem by just paying officers more.

> When politicians debate public policy, the only criterion should be the public interests

I agree much of lobbying is corrupt, but the concept is that lobbying is how politicians discover the public interest. It is also how they get input on the effects of proposed laws. I want my local small business lobbying group to let my city know if a proposed tax increase will bankrupt my favorite local stores!

The fact is, what the EFF and ACLU do to protect our rights is also a form of lobbying.

> I agree much of lobbying is corrupt, but the concept is that lobbying is how politicians discover the public interest. It is also how they get input on the effects of proposed laws. I want my local small business lobbying group to let my city know if a proposed tax increase will bankrupt my favorite local stores!

I touched this point in my previous reply. But let me reiterate it again. Those politicians are supposed to just talk to their constituents and represent their interests. That's their job description. If the voters who sent them to the legislatures have to lobby them afterwards, what is the purpose of these politicians anyway? Is their job to con the public into choosing them, so that they can leech the same public? Evidently so, and that's the fundamental problem with democracy in US these days.

> The fact is, what the EFF and ACLU do to protect our rights is also a form of lobbying.

While EFF and ACLU do a commendable job, their existence don't justify lobbying. It's the other way around. Lobbying make them a necessity to regain some semblance of balance and fairness. They wouldn't be needed if the politicians were doing their job in the first place.