I wouldn't think "sovereign" EU data would be protected from US snooping either, unless the Five Eyes Plus alliance is going to be dissolved. Even then...

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GTP 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, not relying on US cloud would already be a giant step in the right direction, by making it significantly harder to snoop on the data.

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1123581321 17 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't believe that's the case because the intelligence pooling is meant to remove cross-border friction. A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required (and maybe that's where we're headed.)

	▲	timeon 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not just headed, it is already in the process.
	▲	dboreham 17 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required Hearing a distant shout of "hold my beer" from the White House...

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IsTom 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With UK out there's no Five Eyes members in EU.

	▲	1123581321 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"Plus" is key - Five Eyes Plus includes EU members France and Germany, at minimum. It's a comfortable informal relationship between Five Eyes and highly trusted nations that have almost joined Five Eyes in the past. France was closest to becoming the official sixth eye under Obama. Japan is another of these nations.

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blibble 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I suspect the other 4 eyes are somewhat less willing to do the US regime's bidding these days

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emodendroket 16 hours ago | parent [-]

On what basis?

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fragmede 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Might have Something to do with the current US administration tweeting pictures of confidential material in the past, exposing their capabilities to the world. Intelligence community members tend to hold their cards close to their chests.

	▲	emodendroket 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I mean, do you see any actual moves they’ve made to move away from the US? I don’t. They always make a lot of noise about how this time they’re not going to take the depredations of the US before doing just that.