> Maybe this even harder push by Gnome on Wayland will drive even more effort into the alternative software, and continue to fuel the healthy competition that (for better or worst) the Linux desktop is stuck with.

Competition in this space has been everything except healthy. Wayland people have been essentially sabotaging X11 development.

Example: people wanting to keep X11 alive have been literally banned from the freedesktop.org infrastructure: https://linuxiac.com/xlibre-xserver-project-plans-revival-of...

> In a dramatic turn of events, Red Hat employees banned developer Enrico Weigelt from the freedesktop.org infrastructure. Weigelt’s account, repositories, tickets, and merge requests (more than 140) associated with the Xorg project were also abruptly deleted. As a result of these actions, in a message titled “History repeats: Redhat censored me on freedesktop.org,”.

(more in the link).

As somebody that has a functioning desktop environment (XFCE) and that doesn't bother much with new stuff, this is incredibly annoying, as the Wayland people have been breaking the linux desktop for everybody while pushing for incomplete alternatives (case in point: another comment to this same thread: wayland breaks accessibility: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824341 - they should have first developed it AND THEN push for it but no, they had to push incomplete and non functional garbage down everybody's throat).

I'm not really against Wayland per se, I'm against the fascistoid appoach that wayland people had all along the way.

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shevy-java 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Example: people wanting to keep X11 alive have been literally banned from the freedesktop.org infrastructure

Yeah - that has been my experience with ebassi etc... too. Also prior to that with Poettering. These people seem on a mission, a crusade. Anyone not conforming to this will be ignored or isolated/banned.

	▲	hulitu 15 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Poettering He is Microsoft's mole.
	▲	znpy a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		In Poettering’s defence: his software worked/works. It’s a big change but it wasn’t pushed at early stage: he had a working implementation. No fluff, no bs. After fedora first and rhel later, other distributions followed but nobody’s getting sabotaged or prevented from working on other init systems. Don’t even get me started on gnome though, and their progressive dumbing down of gnome as a desktop environment…

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happymellon 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably a better reference.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/12/the_price_of_software...

> fascistoid appoach that wayland people had all along the way

Ironic to promote a far right dev, and demonizing folks who are sick of his shit.

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znpy a day ago | parent | next [-]

I have no idea about the affiliations of that dev and i have zero interest in defending/promoting or condemning his personal opinions.

That being said: i will gladly run working software written from a far right developer rather than half-assed broken software written by a far-left developer. Politics does not influence my choices in software (quality does).

Anyway, the thing is: fascist behaviours aren’t an exclusive monopoly of far right people.

I still stand by my point that wayland people have had a fascistoid behaviour all along.

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happymellon a day ago | parent [-]

Except that he was kicked out for sending in patches that weren't working, failed the build tests and had obviously next actually been tested. Repeatedly. It reached AI slop level PRs and people got sick of it.

> Politics does not influence my choices in software (quality does).

Then why are you linking to a guy who has been making broken changes?

	▲	znpy a day ago \| parent [-]
		Xorg as a whole was much higher in quality when the push for broken wayland stuff started. You’re lagging.

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shevy-java 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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