| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 21 hours ago |
| Go play a game of telephone with 20 people and see how well information travels. Now multiply that by 100 years. |
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| ▲ | IAmBroom 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| If that game of telephone includes the sentence "I'm going to kidnap your child", I'll bet it travels faster and more accurately than you think it will. |
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| ▲ | advisedwang 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 100 years doesn't require a game of telephone with 20 people. It requires maybe 2 or 3. And for a event known to a whole town, you have multiple independent narrators which can help stabilize information. My family has far more trivial information passed down orally that is way older than 100 years. |
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| ▲ | cogman10 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mine doesn't. I know just a handful of things about my great grandparents. Things I do know about my family history didn't come from oral traditions but rather records placing my ancestors in places. Even from what I know of my parents, I'm sure I've forgotten or misremembered a bunch of stories that they've told me about their lives. I couldn't reliably retell more than a handful of stories. |
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| ▲ | cubefox 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That calculation doesn't make sense. |
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| ▲ | soperj 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Except oral histories seemed to have been very important to people and passing them down accurately has been noted throughout history |
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| ▲ | bbarnett 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | No TV, no books. Lightly populated rural communities, without a lot of visitors. People loved stories because they were bored. | | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not boredom. Humans have always told stories and we still tell them today. How often does the 500 mile email come up on HN, or The Story of Mel? What about the SR-71 speed check? It's an innate human characteristic to love stories and most social media is lightly disguised storytelling. | | |
| ▲ | bbarnett 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not boredom. Says someone who didn't listen to an old timers 70th rendition of the same old story. There are stories, and then there are stories. I grew up pre-Internet with limited books, no way to get more, 3 fuzzy TV channels on a good day, and nothing else. People today don't even know what boredom is. You don't know what boredom is, until you've watched the same episode of The Andy Griffith Show 15 times, and still think it is entertaining. Now go to pre-literate times. No TV. Yes, stories are fun. But hearing the same story over and over 1000 times is only fun if you're so bored, any external stimulus is a blessing. | | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Let's not assume things about age. I'm old enough to remember holding the stupid rabbit ears. Never liked the Andy Griffith show though. I've also spent plenty of nights sitting a fire with a bunch of nomads in the middle of nowhere. It's not fundamentally different from media today. Audiobooks, Twilight Zone, Black Mirror, Disney movies, true crime media, etc. People don't choose these for lack of alternatives. They're activities people like (excepting the parents forced to watch Frozen for the thousandth time). Strong oral storytelling cultures also have many, many stories available to them. It's not as tedious as syndicated TV was. Two examples of collections that survive to the modern day are the Jewish bible (old testament) and the Christian New Testament, each of which has dozens of stories you're likely familiar with no matter your religious background. They're not communicated solely through everyone sitting down around a campfire, and not every recitation is in the formal verbiage of the source material. Often recitation is associated with a calendar (e.g. the sermon schedules ministers follow in modern churches, or performed only at particular seasonal festivals). Different recitations are often performed in new ways to adjust things to the audience (e.g. referencing recent events) or with slight changes to keep things fresh. So on and so forth. It's a much richer world than you may be aware of. |
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| ▲ | Jtsummers 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The telephone game lacks features in the telling that are common in oral storytelling that help reinforce the content and reduces the number of errors. Repeated telling, repetition in the structure, rhyming and alliteration (which is used, or even if they're used, depends on the language), being made into a song (seems to stick better than just straight speaking), etc. If you played the telephone game with a deliberately constructed story using those elements and taught that story to the next "generation" by repetition over a period of time before they, in turn, repeated it to the next generation it would be much more reliable. It also wouldn't be the telephone game. |
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| ▲ | WalterBright 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm convinced that poems are an effective error-correcting code for remembering things. |
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