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naasking 2 days ago

> In any case LLMs most likely are not minds due to the simple fact that most of their internal state is static.

This is not a compelling argument. Firstly, you can add external state to LLMs via RAG and vector databases, or various other types of external memory, and their internal state is no longer static and deterministic (and they become Turing complete!).

Second if you could rewind time, then your argument suggests that all other humans would not have minds because you could access the same state of mind at that point in time (it's static). Why would you travelling through time suddenly erases all other minds in reality?

The obvious answer is that it doesn't, those minds exist as time moves forward and then they reset when you travel backwards, and the same would apply to LLMs if they have minds, eg. they are active minds while they are processing a prompt.

Tade0 2 days ago | parent [-]

> and their internal state is no longer static and deterministic (and they become Turing complete!).

But it's not the LLM that makes modifications in those databases - it just retrieves data which is already there.

> Why would you travelling through time suddenly erases all other minds in reality?

I'm not following you here.

> they are active minds while they are processing a prompt.

Problem is that this process doesn't affect the LLM in the slightest. It just regurgitates what it's been taught. An active mind is makes itself. It's curious, it gets bored, it's learning constantly. LLMs do none of that.

You couldn't get a real mind to answer the same question hundreds of times without it being changed by that experience.

naasking 2 days ago | parent [-]

> But it's not the LLM that makes modifications in those databases - it just retrieves data which is already there.

So what?

> I'm not following you here.

If you're time travelling, you're resetting the state of the world to some previous well-defined, static state. An LLM also starts from some well-defined static state. You claim this static configuration means there's no mind, so this entails that the ability to time travel means that every person who is not time travelling has no mind.

> Problem is that this process doesn't affect the LLM in the slightest. It just regurgitates what it's been taught. An active mind is makes itself.

People who are incapable forming new memories thus don't have minds?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterograde_amnesia