| ▲ | WhyOhWhyQ 2 days ago |
| What does it mean? My stance is it's (obviously and only a fool would think otherwise) never going to be conscious because consciousness is a physical process based on particular material interactions, like everything else we've ever encountered. But I have no clear stance on what thinking means besides a sequence of deductions, which seems like something it's already doing in "thinking mode". |
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| ▲ | nearbuy 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > My stance is it's (obviously and only a fool would think otherwise) never going to be conscious because consciousness is a physical process based on particular material interactions, like everything else we've ever encountered. Seems like you have that backwards. If consciousness is from a nonphysical process, like a soul that's only given to humans, then it follows that you can't build consciousness with physical machines. If it's purely physical, it could be built. |
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| ▲ | WhyOhWhyQ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In your experience does every kind of physical interaction behave the same as every other kind? If I paint a wooden block red and white does it behave like a bar magnet? No. And that's because particular material interactions are responsible for a large magnetic effect. | |
| ▲ | chipsrafferty 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would conceivably be possible to have a lot of physical states. That doesn't mean that they are actually possible from our current state and rewrite rules. So it's not actually a given that it can be built just because it's physical. Your very idea is also predicated on the idea that it's possible for a real object to exist that isn't physical, and I think most modern philosophers reject the idea of a spiritual particle. | | |
| ▲ | nearbuy 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm not saying that souls or non-physical things exist, nor that everything physical is feasible for us to build. I was replying to the opinion that AI is never going to be conscious because consciousness is a physical process. I just don't see how that follows. |
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| ▲ | pixl97 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > is a physical process based on particular material interactions, This is a pretty messy argument as computers have been simulating material interactions for quite some time now. |
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| ▲ | WhyOhWhyQ 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It doesn't matter how much like a bar magnet a wooden block painted red and white can be made to look, it will never behave like one. | | |
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