Datastar looks interesting, but their guide on how to redirect a user is a joke.

async def redirect_from_backend():

    yield SSE.patch_elements('<div id="indicator">Redirecting in 3 seconds...</div>')

    await asyncio.sleep(3)

    yield SSE.execute_script('window.location = "/guide"')

LOL, they really think it's a good use of server resources to sleep so the client doesn't have to.

[1] https://data-star.dev/how_tos/redirect_the_page_from_the_bac...

▲ JSR_FDED 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

One of the things I had to wrap my head around was the whole async server style of programming. I learned that doing a sleep on the server consumes essentially zero resources. The thread goes to sleep and wakes up when the timer expires. In the meantime the server can handle other requests unhindered. You can have hundreds or thousands of these threads at the same time - serving requests, waiting for IO, etc.

It’s not like synchronous servers e.g. Flask with Gunicorn (in the Python world) where you have a few pre-forked server processes. In that case it would be a waste to prevent one of those processes from serving other requests while sleeping, I agree.

Ultimately it’s cool though to be able to control the client from the backend asynchronously, updating signals (think of them as a kind of special front-end variable with superpowers) when something on the backend happens, or updating the client’s DOM, or running scripts.

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nprateem 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

To a point, but sleeping before redirecting on the server is insanity. It's pointlessly brittle when the client is perfectly capable of managing its own timer.

This approach completely breaks sensible reasoning about what clients are responsible for. What's next, sending every keystroke to the server so it can tell the client to update a text input?!?

It still takes resources to keep SSEs open, load balance, reopen lost connections, etc. But worst of all is shifting fundamental logic back to the server for literally no benefit.

	▲	sudodevnull 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		It's a toy example, it's suppose to show that you can be doing N things and then redirect. If you have a normal redirect immediately, just do a 307 or whatever.

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nasretdinov 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sleeping on the server still consumes resources like memory, open sockets, etc, which may in turn cause some unnecessary CPU usage because of e.g. GC costs, scheduling costs, etc.

▲ gazpachoking 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a contrived example to show how you can redirect from the backend (and the sleep is to make it easy to see it working.) It isn't a recommendation that you should do it exactly that way.