Having seen photocopiers so many times produce coherent, sensible, and valid chains of words on a page, I am at this point in absolutely no doubt that they are thinking.

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slightwinder 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Photocopiers are the opposite of thinking. What goes in, goes out, no transformation or creating of new data at all. Any change is just an accident, or an artifact of the technical process.

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HarHarVeryFunny 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's not actually true - try photocopying a banknote with the security pattern on it.

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slightwinder 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

True, modern Photocopiers are not really Photocopiers any more and just a pc with scanner and printer. Those could be described as "thinking", in the same sense as any computer is thinking. But from my understanding, the original comment was explicitly about a pure copy-device, without any "brain" involved.

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_boffin_ 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That has a logic condition, no?

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HarHarVeryFunny 2 days ago | parent [-]

Not sure what you mean - there's a pattern of dots (the EURion constellation) on the banknotes of a number of countries that photocopiers recognize and will refuse to copy.

	▲	_boffin_ a day ago \| parent [-]
		I could have been more descriptive, but yes, exactly what you described. The logic of: if i see this exact pattern, refuse to duplicate or make extremely apparent it's a fake.

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Libidinalecon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is the wrong category error.

The proper category error in the context of the discussion would be to say the photocopier is drawing a picture.

It doesn't matter how well or not the photocopier recreates an image. To say the photocopier is drawing a picture is just nonsense and has no meaning.

The same category error as to say the LLM is "thinking".

Of course, the category error could be well exploited for marketing purposes if you are in the business of selling photocopiers or language models.

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justinclift 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So, if there's a flaw in its sensor and you get somewhat warped output, would you consider it thinking then?

	▲	slightwinder 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		No, because it is not intentional.

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efitz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.theregister.com/2013/08/06/xerox_copier_flaw_mea...

	▲	bayindirh 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		That's not a flaw. That model's creativity tuned a bit too high. It's a happy little copier which can be a little creative and unconventional with reasoning, at times.

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Zardoz84 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I saw Dr. Abuse producing coherent, sensible and valid chains of words, running on a 386.

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throwaway-0001 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve seen so many humans bring stupid. Definitively there is nothing in the brain.

You see how doesn’t make sense what you saying?

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seeEllArr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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