Any ebike that goes faster than 25kmph in Europe and whatever it is in NA should not be allowed anywhere were pedestrians can go.

The real solution people don't want to accept is that ALL non arterial roads in ANY urban/suburban/rural environment should be limited to 30kpmh (and equivalent in NA). And by limited I mean traffic calmed: 1 lane per direction, narrow lanes, raised street crossing, raised intersections, European style roundabouts, the works (Dutch style) - so that people actually respect the speed limit because they don't want to bang their car.

Once that happens, bike stay in bike lanes (or multi use paths with pedestrians) and everything else can go on the regular non arterial roads and stuff that's registered (mopeds and up) and go on any road.

But my "solution" requires major political adoption and probably decades of sustained vision in investment. In places with good governance it will happen naturally and everywhere else will slowly be left behind.

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ashirviskas 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Any bike that goes faster than 25kmph in Europe and whatever it is in NA should not be allowed anywhere were pedestrians can go.

So, literally any bicycle?

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jlarocco 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

As a cyclist, motorcyclist, and potential e-bike owner, I'd actually be in favor of making it any bicycle.

Anybody moving significantly faster than the flow of traffic is endangering the rest of the users.

	▲	oblio 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I meant fast ebike. Bikes should be allowed on shared use pathways and all sidewalks larger than 2m should by default also allow bikes. Mopeds should be banned and fines should be big, to discourage that kind of use.

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oblio 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Fixed.

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nandomrumber 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s only one step away from full zero road deaths.

I propose that in order to be able to leave your house people should have to have a valid reason, have done a course, and apply for a single-use permit.

Because, obviously, people can’t be trusted to do the right thing, ever, and one death in the community, for any reason, ever, is too many.

	▲	oblio 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I'm talking about Dutch style safety measures. Fairly sure the Netherlands is a more advanced democracy than the "my freedumbs" US is at this point. And Dutch infrastructure is also better.