Have needs and feelings? (I mean we can’t KNOW that they don’t and we know of this case of an LLM in experiment that try to avoid being shutdown, but I think the evidence of feeling seems weak so far)

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jstanley 3 days ago | parent [-]

But you can have needs and feelings even without doing thinking. It's separate.

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iammjm 3 days ago | parent [-]

I can imagine needing without thinking (like being hungry), but feelings? How and in what space would that even manifest? Like where would such a sensation like, say, sadness reside?

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danielbln 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Emotions tend to manifest as physical sensations, and if you don't think that's true it's likely you haven't been paying attention. See also https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/mapping-h...

	▲	plufz 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		But that is just our nervous system that is located in both the brain and the body, they are obviously one connected system. Sure you can have reflexes and simple learning without a brain, but you need cognition for feelings. That is sort of the definition of what feeling are. One popular definition: feelings are the subjective, conscious mental experience of an emotion, or the conscious perception of bodily states that arise from physiological and neural responses to stimuli

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jstanley 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think animals don't have feelings?

	▲	tsimionescu 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Do you think animals don't think? Because the contention was "you can't have feelings without thinking". I believe it's much easier to convince yourself that animals think than it is to convince yourself that they have feelings (say, it's much easier to see that an ant has a thinking process, than it is to tell if it has feelings).