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| ▲ | darkwater 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The only basis I have for assuming you are sentient according to that definition is trust in your self-reports Because the other person is part of your same species so you project your own base capabilities onto them, because so far they shown to behave pretty similarly to how you behave. Which is the most reasonable thing to do. Now, the day we have cyborgs that mimic also the bodies of a human a la Battlestar Galactica, we will have an interesting problem. |
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| ▲ | vidarh 3 days ago | parent [-] | | It's the most reasonable thing to do because we have no actual way of measuring and knowing. It is still speculation. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm fairly sure we can measure human "sensation" as in detect physiological activity in the body in someone who is under anesthesia yet the body reacts in different ways to touch or pain. The "feelings" part is probably harder though. |
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| ▲ | vidarh 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | We can measure the physiological activity, but not whether it gives rise to the same sensations that we experience ourselves. We can reasonably project and guess that they are the same, but we can not know. In practical terms it does not matter - it is reasonable for us to act as if others do experience the same we do. But if we are to talk about the nature of conscience and sentience it does matter that the only basis we have for knowing about other sentient beings is their self-reported experience. | | |
| ▲ | goatlover 3 days ago | parent [-] | | We know that others do not experience the exact same sensations, because there are reported differences, some of which has been discussed on HN, such as aphantasia. The opposite would be visual thinkers. Then you have super tasters and smellers, people who have very refined palats, perhaps because their gustary and/or oilfactory senses are more heightened. Then you have savants like the musical genius who would hear three separate strands of music in his head at the same time. |
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| ▲ | mirekrusin 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can measure model activity even better. How do you know that model processing text or image input doesn't go through feeling of confusion or excitement or corrupted image doesn't "smell" right for it? Just the fact that you can pause and restart it doesn't mean it doesn't emerge. |
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