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pqtyw 3 days ago

> had just gone through several centuries of horrific mass-murder of non-Christians in Spain,

Well it varied, but such behaviour was not strictly unique to Spain in those days. Being a Catholic in England wasn't terribly exciting either.

Then you have the witch hunts across must of Europe which resulted in probably well over 10x times more people being murdered in Germany alone compared to the inquisition and they weren't really a thing in Spain.

In a way the Spanish Inquisition was quite similar to the NKVD or the Gestapo/etc. since the persecutions were usually intended to impose ideological/social conformity (or inherently racist in how it targeted even perfectly honest Jewish or Muslims converts) rather than "ritualistic".

Of course Christian Spain is interesting in the sense that it turned from one of the most of tolerant societies in Europe to the one of the most intolerant ones in a couple of centuries.

e.g. during the Almohad invasions you had Christians, Jewish and even moderate Muslims fleeing to the Christian kingdoms which generally were much more tolerant at the time.

> Can you see how this absurd double standard may come across as racist?

That's not particularly new in Europe though. e.g. the Greeks and Romans found Carthaginian mass child sacrifices extremely abhorrent yet at the same time didn't see much of an issue with "exposing" unwanted infants. Treating violence due to economic/utilitarian/political reasons differently that doing it for ritual/religious reasons was is still pretty ingrained into western culture.

StarGrit 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Why do people always ignore what happened before a few hundred years before? The Moors invaded Spain and were advancing into Europe and moved into what is modern day France. It also ignores that Muslims and Christians would in-fight between themselves in what is now modern day Spain.

pqtyw 3 days ago | parent [-]

Well... I was talking about about what was happening a few centuries ago.

Regardless why is it strictly relevant what happened 250-800 years before the Iberian kingdoms expelled or exterminated their Muslim and Jewish population?

> It also ignores that Muslims and Christians would in-fight between themselves

Seems tangential?

StarGrit 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Regardless why is it strictly relevant what happened 250-800 years before the Iberian kingdoms expelled or exterminated their Muslim and Jewish population?

The Reconquista partially led to the Inquisition. The Reconquista started 711 and ended in 1492. How could it not be relevant?

pqtyw 2 days ago | parent [-]

Well you didn't say how and why is it relevant specifically. So I don't quite get the point.

Everything partially led to everything. We might as well talk how the Persian - Roman wars led to the Spanish Inquisition as well.

StarGrit 2 days ago | parent [-]

I feel that you are being deliberately obtuse. It is pretty obvious how they are intertwined.

I actually spoke to a friend of mine who basically knows a huge amount of history (he is at University doing some sort Masters in a related subject), because some of the replies on this subject in sibling threads are so ignorant they actually gaslite me.

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