They aren’t good Christians then, and if Christian social shame was still the dominant flavor of social shame we may not see such egregious behavior (not arguing there would be perfection, of course).

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SR2Z 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

So, hypothetically, how many people do you think call themselves good Christians and then turn around a say that homosexuality sends people to hell? What does the Bible have to say about abortion, really?

You say Christian social shame, those are the very first things that come to mind.

	▲	pfannkuchen 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Well, morality isn’t universal. It’s basically a distributed operating system for large human groups. Different operating systems exist. The modern western morality is different from Christianity in a lot of ways. So, yes, a person executing classical Christian morality would shame for those things and consider them wrong. I’m an atheist so I don’t have to agree with them, and I didn’t make their rules, that’s just what they are. I’m also not claiming that Christianity enforcing a morality would make better “people”. It would just make better (i.e. more consistent and less hypocritical) “Christians”.

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wussboy 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

No True Scotsman it is.

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pfannkuchen 3 days ago | parent [-]

Well I’m an atheist, but it’s undeniable that Christianity used to be the dominant moral police in the west and it no longer is. If you stop enforcing morality with shame then people don’t follow it as much. Which part of that is wrong?

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SR2Z 2 days ago | parent [-]

The morality that Christianity pushes is not necessarily what's best for society, or even better than what we have now.

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pfannkuchen 2 days ago | parent [-]

Did I say it was?

Christian morality includes “don’t be selfish” as a high ranking rule.

Being selfish is against the religion, therefore selfish Christians are not implementing Christianity properly, or in other words they are being “bad Christians”.

I don’t think of morality as one thing, I’m not claiming Christians or well functioning Christians are “more moral” because that is a nonsensical framing. It would be like saying that frogs are “more animal” than goats. No, they are just different animals.

	▲	SR2Z a day ago \| parent [-]
		> Being selfish is against the religion, therefore selfish Christians are not implementing Christianity properly, or in other words they are being “bad Christians”. So is a Christian also allowed to own a profitable business? Isn't that pretty selfish, instead of making only the minimum and using the rest to help the needy? Or is a profitable business OK, but raising prices by more than inflation isn't? Or can a Christian run a factory that dumps runoff straight into a river? "Being selfish" is itself poorly defined. The Bible is not much use - when it's not contradicting itself, it's vague. Christian morality is not one single thing, hence my "no true Scotsman" comment.