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dataflow 4 days ago

> taking mine to the same areas on the same carrier and doing a comparison

Unfortunately I don't think it's that simple. I've seen one phone simultaneously show significantly different numbers of bars for two SIMs installed in it for the same exact network and operator. After a while they become similar... then differ again... etc.

I have no clue how to explain it yet, but what I do know is that it literally makes no sense with a naive model of how these work, whether you try to explain it as reception or deception.

objectcode 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The phone selects a RAT (radio access technology) and frequency for each SIM slot.

After selecting, each SIM slot is subject to inter freq / inter RAT reselection / handover.

Both are controlled by messages received from the tower (e.g. on 4GLTE, for reselection, System Information messages), though there is an additional constraint: what's supported by/enabled in the phone.

Perhaps one SIM slot was in the connected state and the other was in the idle state at one point. So the reselection logic applied for one and the handover logic applied for the other. There is for example a problem called ping pong handover. Once a phone is switched to a different frequency or RAT, the tower may have the phone be sort of stuck in the new frequency, until the conditions of the previous RAT or frequency improve substantially, in order to prevent the phone being like a ping pong ball between the two. This frees resources that would otherwise be spent on repeated handover-related messages.

Each frequency has its own signal strength (free space path loss, transmit power, one frequency might be on one tower and another might be on another, etc).

lukec11 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is usually for a good reason - dual sim phones are almost always “DSDS”, or “Dual SIM Dual Standby”. The secondary SIM, because it doesn’t need to make a data connection, parks itself on the lowest-frequency (and therefore usually lowest-bandwidth) connection it can find. Meanwhile, your data-connected SIM is busy trying to stream a video or upload your photos, so it’s using a higher-frequency + higher bandwidth connection, resulting in a lower signal strength.

dataflow 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Meanwhile, your data-connected SIM is busy trying to stream a video or upload your photos

You're making huge and incorrect assumptions here, no? This also happens when your phone is entirely idle... and it randomly changes if you sit still for some time...

estimator7292 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Your phone is never idle. Open your adb logs sometime and you'll see that it's doing a ton of stuff all the time. Much of which involves a network connection.

So your phone is basically always doing something, and frequently sending and receiving data when you assume it's doing nothing. By design, radios hop around between channels as conditions change. Another device somewhere outside your house kicked off a big transfer and your device hopper channels to avoid interference. Random atmospheric conditions introduced new noise, or another channel cleared up. This is standard, normal behavior for WiFi, Bluetooth, cellular, and essentially every other type of modern digital radio.

What you're seeing is normal and expected behavior. Modern radios and operating systems are vastly more complex than you're assuming.

lxgr 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you know that your phone is entirely idle?

janandonly 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also have multiple SIMs set to the same network, with sometimes a different amount of bars shown.

I guess the bars aren’t realtime but updates every x seconds? I summed no malice.

hulitu 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> I have no clue how to explain it yet

Android is quiet lazy searching for towers.

userbinator 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think it has more to do with the cellular modem itself, or precisely the firmware it's running; of which there is much more diversity on the Android side.

devmor 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

As I read this comment on my iPhone 15, I have 1 bar of 5G signal on one esim and 3 bars of signal on the other.

This suggests that the issue is not related to Android.

brewdad 4 days ago | parent [-]

When we visit downtown of our city, I get great data coverage. My wife, on a different model but same gen iPhone and same plan, gets nothing. Her phone shows three or four bars but her apps won't load anything.

No idea why, especially since I'm the one who installs ad blockers and such. Her phone is essentially stock.

toast0 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> My wife, on a different model but same gen iPhone and same plan, gets nothing.

Some generations, different Apple models have pretty different radios. Is there a difference in bands or ?

NaomiLehman 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

is it perhaps iPhone 16e?

devmor 3 days ago | parent [-]

15 Pro Max