I’m sorry you’re saying under Obama when the system said someone had a deportation order and the person produced fraudulent documents ICE just threw up their hands and said “oh well!”?

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exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-]

Don’t be an idiot.

The point is that in Trump 2.0 ICE tactics have changed up from targeted raids (where a few US citizens might have had time to identify themselves as such in the process of an enforcemenr action) to untargeted sweeps where people are being dragged off the street based on their ethnicity and dumped in holding camps in other states by masked goons who are not at all interested in the process because they are literally working to quotas and bonuses.

The rate of US citizens being arrested and held for days has increased exponentially and the process no longer cares about fairness; it cares about detention, intimidation and causing fear.

This change is obvious, marked to anyone paying attention, and not remotely normal.

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refurb 4 days ago | parent [-]

…are being dragged off the street based on their ethnicity and dumped in holding camps in other states by masked goons..

Do you have any evidence of this? Keep in mind you started calling me names.

The rate of US citizens being arrested and held for days has increased exponentially and the process no longer cares about fairness;

Presumably such cases would be all over the news. Could you point me to a few? Not claiming to be US citizens despite no evidence and a lengthy criminal history.

I’m willing to change my opinion but it’s going to require facts not rumor and conjecture.

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exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-]

Jesus Christ. How can you be this ill-informed about an absolutely unprecedented buildup of violent, thuggish, masked immigration enforcement?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/15/trump-immigr...

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ice-agents-penske-rental...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/29/ice-detentio...

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/ice-makes-it-imp...

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-access-to-counsel-dep...

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigrants-in-detention-c...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/30/ice-hidden-d...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/06/09/steph...

https://www.propublica.org/article/ice-officer-shoves-woman-...

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/priv...

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-nebraska-immigr...

Now google "Kavanaugh stop". There has already been a Supreme Court case where ICE was challenged over their use of simple ethnicity to scoop up possible immigrants. Kavanaugh says: that's OK.

And I am done. It's really not my fault if the news you are consuming is not covering what is happening.

When I say don't be an idiot, I mean it in the sense of a useful idiot. Don't be uninformed. Don't be foolish. Don't let them get you to ignore what is happening.

(Mods, I appreciate this breaks the "long list of links" rule, probably. But it is an answer to the question from a wide variety of media sources which have documented what amounts to a slow-motion atrocity)

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refurb 4 days ago | parent [-]

Is there a specific link about Americans being detained for extended periods?

And please stop the name calling. Not only is it against HN rules, you’re better than that.

I clicked the first link and they were about Steven Miller? Then the second Propublica was about a lawyer having to drive far to see a client.

The first Probulica article has more details but the examples include US citizens fighting with ICE and being detained.

Do you have any data on US citizens detained beyond what the law allows (Propublica says up to 3 days is legal) without extenuating circumstances like aiding illegal immigration, assaulting law enforcement, etc?

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exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-]

The reason I linked to articles about Stephen Miller is a) because I mentioned him in this thread and how central he is to what is going on and b) because those articles explain what is going on and the baseless processes that have been put in place that see people snatched off the street on the basis of ethnicity alone and locked up in immigration centres far from their families and lawyers.

Now if you want to continue sea-lioning, pick someone else.

God help the USA if this eyes-closed standard of avoidance is commonplace.

	▲	refurb 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I have to admit that the name calling and harsh language doesn’t help in convincing me of your argument. If anything it makes me wonder why someone confident of their opinion got so upset at a few basic questions. If you’re not in the mood to debate that’s fine, don’t. But regardless, the Supreme Court did not allow profiling based on ethnicity alone. “To be clear, apparently ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion” is the direct quote from the decision. What the court did allow are things like ethnicity, type of employment, location to be factors. That was based on the fact that those factors are directly related to job the government is trying to accomplish. If French Canadians working illegally at tech companies in Boston are not major issue then it makes sense not to stop people that fit those profiles.