I think you're confused about civil versus criminal violations. Just because a violation is civil does not mean it can't have serious consequences.

JP Morgan was sloppy in it's mortgage approvals contributing to the financial crisis of 2007. Do you think that's not a serious matter? That was entirely a civil, not criminal matter.

And overstaying a visa has serious consequences. It's not a fine and you can go on living in the US illegally. You will be deported and receive a 3-10 year ban on re-entry. Reenter again and it's criminal matter.

But you're also ignoring the numerous criminal violations that occur with illegal immigration. Illegal entry, reentry after deportation, immigration fraud, using fraudulent documents, human trafficking, recieving social services reserved for citizens. All of these are criminal violations.

And no, investigating a possible civil or criminal matter and detaining people while you conduct your investigation has nothing to do with due process. Police and immigration officials need these limited powers to do their job. Each of these people detained will either be released or stand in front of a judge, which shows they received due process.

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20after4 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

That assumes a lot of good faith from the current administration which I am certain that they have not earned.

They have repeatedly violated the normal procedures, ignored court orders and even lied to judges. They obviously have contempt for the law so it doesn't make sense to assume that they are following proper procedures.

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refurb 5 days ago | parent [-]

Sure, I understand that perspective. Trump’s random comments about the law are that helpful in instilling trust that laws are being followed.

But at the same time, when the prior norms were incredibly lax to the point many immigration laws were ignored, suddenly enforcing what is on the books can look rather jarring.

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20after4 5 days ago | parent [-]

There is a whole lot of evidence that they have been violating the laws, not just suddenly enforcing them.

Maybe start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleKvJ5Xsw8

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refurb 5 days ago | parent [-]

This is a video titled “America’s Gulag”. That alone makes me think it’s not going to provide a fact based balanced view of the issue.

But regardless it’s a 30 min video, so is there something you feel is important because I don’t have the time. Maybe an article from a more reputable source?

I mean it starts with “ICE agents breaking car windows”. If you’re asked to exit your vehicle by a federal law officer and you just roll up the window that will happen. The US (and in fact no country) has rules where a law enforcement officer with probable cause is supposed to give up when a suspect refuses to follow orders.

The five minutes I listened to seemed suspect since it’s a women just saying “they do this” with no sources. Am I just supposed to take her at her word?

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habinero 4 days ago | parent [-]

What proof would you accept?

Do you want evidence of ICE ignoring legal others? Citizens who were arrested for no reason? An ICE officer admitting they target people based on how they look and not on any actual legal criteria?

Or do you just want to look away and not see?

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refurb 4 days ago | parent [-]

Facts would be nice. Courts ruling that rights were violated.

A YouTube video where someone summarizes what they think is happening is not facts.

But like I said point me to a specific time in that 30 min video you think supports your claim.

You did watch the whole thing, right?

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20after4 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This much shorter video shows some actual interaction with agents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf_3G_WCmdI

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habinero 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not the same person, my guy.

But if you want facts, let me google that for you. :)

Here's journalists documenting ICE arresting citizens. They do not have authority to do so: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

ICE violating rights by deporting citizens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna224501

ICE holds man in limbo for two and a half months, violating due process: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/30/ice-hidden-d...

Judge rules ICE did not have probable cause: https://thebeaconnews.org/stories/2025/10/09/ice-arrests-imm...

Judge rules ICE behavior "unlawful" by holding someone with protected status for months: https://nysfocus.com/2025/11/01/ice-immigrant-teen-released

Judge rules agents are violating probable cause by making up ICE warrants on the spot: https://www.nprillinois.org/illinois/2025-10-08/court-scruti...

Judge rules ICE violating 5th amendment: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna218624

Judge rules ICE violating due process. They also are routinely starving detainees and even denying them water: https://calmatters.org/justice/2025/07/la-immigration-restra...

Judge tells ICE to stop using riot and less-lethal rounds on journalists and protesters: https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/14/trump-administration-contin...

If you can't find facts, then it's a skill issue.

	▲	refurb 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Your first example is a mom being deported. Her US citizen children went with her. That’s incredibly disingenuous claim that “US citizens were deported”. ICE has already stated that US citizen child can remain with family in the US or go with their parents. I’m guessing your other links of are similar quality.

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habinero 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, illegal parking and speeding has serious consequences too. Next time you get pulled over, how about you spending a month in jail, losing your job, and dealing with the unsafe and unsanitary conditions of jail while the police research if their speed cameras were calibrated properly? That seems fair.

Due process means limiting the government. You do not get to drag citizens into unmarked vans because you think they might have violated a civil matter.