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ICE ignores those documents, even for citizens.

dpark 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The implication of using such an app (“the best technology”) is that it somehow has more accurate information. If the sum total of the information ICE has is just the standard government documents (and it is) then what is the point of this app?

> pretending to understand things

Yes, like pretending not to understand that ICE is intentionally bypassing the due process guaranteed by the constitution.

“ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I have a license and a passport, both which have a picture of me

> an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien

You should be less credulous.

> It's not a stretch to say ICE can use this information to confirm I am the person I say I am.

ICE is yelling from the rooftops that they don't give a shit about this. It's a stretch to think they will use this information, regardless of can.

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jasonlotito 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You said: "If I was in the country legally..."

A legal resident would say "As someone here legally..."

> ICE can use this information to confirm I am the person I say I am

1. You cast doubt on your legal status.

2. The APP says you are not here legally.

3. You have no opportunity to present those things proving you are here legally.

> It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them not pretending to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

It's amazing how much conservative dicourse is just them literally not understanding things, thus making discourse impossible.

Consider the literal evil stuff you support, discourse with you is 100% worthless.

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verdverm 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

except that ICE is not using those documents, they are using an app and then claiming the documents to be false

ICE is operating outside the bounds of law and basic human decency

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lisbbb 6 days ago | parent [-]

I'm willing to give ICE a little extra leeway right now because of the dire situation we face in terms of losing our nation by being swamped with uncontrolled immigration. The previous Administration sure had a big plan that they were very successful at executing. The mass influx has ruined two school districts in my area--they have had to spend ridiculous amounts of money on interpreters, the quality of education has fallen, and our state keeps coming up with more ways to tax us into oblivion while pandering to people who aren't even citizens! It all needs to stop for at least 10 years. If not, we will probably hyperinflate the currency (and may do so anyways--the damage is largely already done). I very much resent the Maoist approach to "tear everything down in order to seize control" type of power play. It is obscene and inhumane and uses poor people as pawns in a gambit to amass total control. That is not "democracy" that is anti-democratic in every possible way. They have continually chipped away at a citizen's franchise here in the US and now we are being taxed and inflated to death.

	▲	dpark 6 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		How can you compare the use of this tech to the persecution of Chinese citizens in China but then say you’re “willing to give ICE a little extra leeway”? “Yeah, I know this is terrible and inhumane, but like, my taxes are kind of high and I’ve got to blame someone. Immigrants seem like maybe they somehow caused all the problems as long as I don’t think about it very hard.” Sure is weird that DHS claims two million illegal immigrants have left the United States this year but nothing seems to have gotten better yet. Probably just need more deportations. I bet that’ll fix everything.
	▲	verdverm 6 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Yes, blame immigrants for the problems our politicians created. Gold star reasoning Immigration rates have not drastically shifted in the last 4 years from the 20+ prior, averaging 1M a year, or .3% of the population. Without immigration, we are below replacement rates By leeway, do you include the beating people and excessive use of force, or should those agents face consequences?
	▲	fragmede 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> dire situation we face in terms of losing our nation by being swamped with uncontrolled immigration. This dire-ness, it's recent and not something that's been going on since forever? It's something that the last person messed up, and it's an emergency that only the new person can fix, and it's such an emergency that we need to give them powers that WILL later be used against you? It's that dire?

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goatlover 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's amazing how any dissent is labelled "leftist", when you can find plenty of examples of moderate, Republican, conservative and independent criticisms. "Leftists" has come to mean anyone who isn't 100% MAGA.

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bdangubic 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

thats cute :)