> This is going to be a huge pain.

I struggle a lot when I see comments like this. The point is to be a pain. The point is to empower a national police force to subjugate the populace. The people in charge don’t care if it is “ able to cope with the complex realities of real people.”

I don’t understand why people, especially those like you who have complex realities, significantly more complex than me a white man who can trace his lineage to the 1600s in VA, are still giving any benefit of the doubt to these actions.

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dylan604 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> a white man who can trace his lineage to the 1600s in VA

and where exactly did those white men in 1600s VA come from? right, you're an immigrant, you should be detained. the 1600s detail is just smoke. the only key thing you said was white. everything after that is just fluff for telling the story.

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bigbadfeline 5 days ago | parent [-]

> and where exactly did those white men in 1600s VA come from? right, you're an immigrant,

Not according to immigration law, which is all that matters for the current discussion. The parent of you comment made a point which you failed to notice.

BTW holier-than-thou attitudes and picking fights with friends are largely responsible for where we are. Spotting them is also a good hint for bot detection.

	▲	tempodox 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Not according to immigration law You overlooked the fact that ICE goons are breaking the law on a regular basis.
	▲	dylan604 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		who's picking a fight? you tell me the sky is red, and i'm going to tell you you're wrong. if you think any of my comments sound like bots, then boy, i don't know

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cassepipe 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I struggle a lot when I see comments like this.

This comes off to me as a more refined "Yes of course, what did you expect you naive person ?" type of comment you often find online (somewhat common among radical leftists)

Maybe commenter agrees with you that the point is to empower a national police to subjugate the populace (This opinion does not raise any of my eyebrows) but do you think this is going to reach people who don't already think that ? To put any doubt in their minds ? I understand the anger the current situation is causing and I am guilty of breaking the hn guidelines a few times myself but I am also convinced of the need to actually explain what you think are the actual problems from the ground up rather than just casting your own conclusions onto people, no matter how obvious they seem to you

So I did think they did a good job with their comment

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roxolotl 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

What do you think a good response would look like? I thought about linking to comments from those in charge but I admit I was too lazy to collect them. At this point I’m lost on what more to say to people other than “You know those problems you’re pointing out? Well if you listen to the people in charge they are saying they aren’t problems.”

	▲	cassepipe 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		Well, I think this would be a great response. You can basically say the same thing but the first sounds like "it's like your opinion, man" whereas the second one hits harder “You know those problems you’re pointing out? Well if you listen to the people in charge they are saying they aren’t problems" is much better than "Duh, what did you expect ?" No matter how obvious you think the context that led to your conclusion is, it's always worth it to share it along, especially in times of information bubbles

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goatlover 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

"Radical Leftist" is a term the current administration is using to brandish anyone who disagrees with them, particularly the Democratic party, it's donors and former Trump officials critical of him.

	▲	cassepipe 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		I happen to agree with you. I haven't fully accepted yet the new era where words are meaningless. I meant actual radical leftists, the ones who believes capitalism is the source of all issues even though they can't always explain clearly what is is. Not just people who think the rule of law is good and should be maintained.