Musicians can feel latencies as low as 1ms.

Apple is designing pro gear for its target audience.

Do you have a source for that? I saw a study a short while ago showing the “just noticeable difference” for audio latency was best case around 26ms.

https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331

	▲	spacechild1 6 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I definitely notice the difference between 10 ms and 26 ms. 26 ms already feel sluggish when playing drums, guitars or keyboard instruments. But there is no way anyone can feel a difference of 1 ms.
	▲	agos 6 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		That’s audio latency, not musicians doing music. In my experience if you have two musicians that are supposed to be playing unison, 5-6 ms is enough to feel “off”
	▲	Hnrobert42 6 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		It depends on the frequency. At higher frequencies, the ear is capable of higher time precision. It's why a snare pops and a bass drum blooms.
	▲	relaxing 6 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The study wasn’t conducted with musicians making music.

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201984 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fun fact, 1ms is the approximately the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 1 foot. Do musicians move all their speakers to be within one foot of their ears? Do people in a band notice a difference if they're not standing within 1 foot of their partners? No, they don't.

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acjohnson55 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I highly doubt anyone notices 1ms latency. I might believe rare people can notice 10ms.

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koiueo 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Anecdotically, 7ms vs 3ms latency is felt as weirdly heavy action when playing midi keyboard. It's not felt as latency, but it's felt. And I bet the difference could be reliably established in double-blind testing (3 samples, find an outlier).

1ms seems less believable, but I wouldn't be surprised, if some people could notice that too.

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ksec 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Again I have to point to this Microsoft Research Video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

	▲	msephton 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		Fantastic video. QED.

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