> You and robotresearcher have still avoided answering this question.

I have repeatedly explicitly denied the meaningfulness of the question. Understanding is a property ascribed by an observer, not possessed by a system.

You may not agree, but you can’t maintain that I’m avoiding that question. It does not have an answer that matters; that is my specific claim.

You can say a toaster understands toasting or you can not. There is literally nothing at stake there.

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godelski 10 hours ago | parent [-]

You said the LLMs are intelligent because they do tasks. But the claim is inconsistent with the toaster example.

If a toaster isn't intelligent because I have to give it bread and press the button to start then how's that any different from giving an LLM a prompt and pressing the button to start?

It's never been about the toaster. You're avoiding answering the question. I don't believe you're dumb, so don't act the part. I'm not buying it.

	▲	robotresearcher 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I didn’t describe anything as intelligent or not intelligent. I’ll bow out now. Not fun to be ascribed views I don’t have, despite trying to be as clear as I can.