> Transient UIs [...] could usually be replaced by just using a regular special-mode keymap in a custom buffer.

For people who can look at a list of key bindings once and have them memorized, maybe. Turns out most people are not like that, and appreciate an interface that accounts for that.

You also completely ignore that the menus are used to set arguments to be used by the command subsequently invoked, and that the enabled/disabled arguments and their values can be remembered for future invocations.

> The fact that Transient hooks into the MVC and breaks elementary navigation such as using isearch

Not true. (Try it.) This was true for very early versions; it hasn't been true for years.

> or switching around buffers

Since you earlier said that transient menus could be replaced with regular prefix keys, it seems appropriate to point out that transient menus share this "defect" with regular prefix keys, see https://github.com/magit/transient/issues/17#issuecomment-46.... (Except that in the case of transient you actually can enable such buffer switching, it's just strongly discouraged because you are going to shoot yourself in the foot if you do that, but if you really want to you can, see https://github.com/magit/transient/issues/114#issuecomment-8....

> has irritated me ever since Magit adopted the new interface.

I usually do not respond to posts like this (anymore), but sometimes the urge is just too strong.

I have grown increasingly irritated by your behavior over the last few weeks. Your suggestion to add my cond-let* to Emacs had a list of things "you are doing wrong" attached. You followed that up on Mastodon with (paraphrasing) "I'm gonna stop using Magit because it's got a sick new dependency". Not satisfied with throwing out my unconventional syntax suggestion, you are now actively working on making cond-let* as bad as possible. And now you are recycling some old misconceptions about Transient, which can at best be described as half-truths.

> For people who can look at a list of key bindings once and have them memorized, maybe. Turns out most people are not like that, and appreciate an interface that accounts for that.

To clarify, the "custom buffer" can list the bindings. Think of Ediff and the control buffer at the bottom of the frame.

I am not saying that transient offers nothing over regular prefix keys, there is a common design pattern that has some definitive and useful value. My objection is that the implementation is more complex than it should be and this complexity affects UX issues.

> Not true. (Try it.) This was true for very early versions; it hasn't been true for years.

Then I was mistaken about the implementation, but on master C-s breaks transient buffers for me on master and I cannot use C-h k as usual to find out what a key-press execute. These are the annoyances I constantly run into that break what I tried to describe in my previous comment.

> Except that in the case of transient you actually can enable such buffer switching, it's just strongly discouraged because you are going to shoot yourself in the foot if you do that

I did not know about this, so thank you for the link. I will probably have to take a closer look, but from a quick glance over the issue, I believe that the problem that you are describing indicates that the fear I mentioned above w.r.t. the complexity of transient might be true.

> I usually do not respond to posts like this (anymore), but sometimes the urge is just too strong.

I understand your irritation and don't want to deny its validity. We do not have to discuss this publicly in a subthread about DOS IDEs, but I am ready to chat any time. I just want you to know that if I am not saying anything to personally insult you. Comments I make on cond-let and Magit sound the way they do because I am also genuinely irritated and concerned about developments in the Emacs package space. To be honest, it often doesn't occur to me that you would read my remarks, and I say this without any malicious or ulterior motives, in my eyes you are still a much more influential big-shot in the Emacs space, while I see myself as just a junior janitor, who's opinions nobody cares about. But these self-image and articulation problems are mine, as are their consequences, so I will do better to try to remember that the internet is a public space where anyone can see anything.