| ▲ | btilly a day ago |
| Funny. My Tesla has proven itself to be repairable. And has needed fewer repairs than my ICE car. As for the "will soon require", as https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-ba... verifies, at 200,000 miles a Tesla still averages being able to hold 90% of original charge. The average ICE car does not survive to 200,000 miles. While some do need batteries sooner, some ICE cars need new engines sooner. It's a wash. Average lifespan is comparable. (Electric would win hands down if Tesla had better manufacturing quality though.) |
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| ▲ | throwawaylaptop a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| The reason the average ice car doesn't last 200k miles is because car purchases are amazingly irrational.
Other than a few unlucky models, basically any Toyota or Honda will go over 200k miles.
I own two 250k mile Toyota/Lexus vehicles and expect another 100k from them easily.
But people buy Dodge sedans and vans, jaguars and range rovers, Audis and Kias.... Because they basically don't care for getting 200k miles.
Realistically if you buy a ice car that is known for lasting 200k, it will easily do it. |
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| ▲ | hibikir a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I thought the main issue, ICE or not, was that a low energy crash after 10 years makes it a total loss, insurance wise. So drive enough miles in, say, a random US urban highway/stroad environment and you'll find yourself having to change cars regardless. It's a bigger problem with a Tesla, as there is no sensibly priced repair network, and getting original parts has lead times that will lead to replacing the car. | | |
| ▲ | throwawaylaptop a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I suppose, but most people don't crash their cars that often. If they did, insurance would basically be unaffordable for most people just based on statistics of how much they'd have to pay out.
No one in my family has had a major crash in 25 years.. most people I know haven't.
Like all other things, I think it's a pretty skewed distribution. I dated a girl once that got rear-ended several times by age 30... You can tell something about her driving from that. Her record will show she's not at fault ever and gets good rates, but she causes accidents. | |
| ▲ | throwawaylaptop a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those cars are often bought and fixed and sold on the market. Others go for parts to keep the rest on the roads. |
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| ▲ | montyboy_us a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In my adult life I’ve owned four cars, three of them Honda Accords. Each Accord had around 85-100k miles when I bought them, and I’ve driven each well past 200k miles with no major issues. These cars are built to last if you maintain them. 1996, 2004, 2014 (Current) with 188k miles. Best advice, by 3 year old Toyotas/Hondas off-lease and then don't think about a vehicle again for 8-10 years. I buy mine a bit older, but next time ... | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It doesn't even have to be particularly known for it. The cars you're listing are the ones well known for not doing it. You can pretty easily get 200k miles out of the median Chevy. | | |
| ▲ | throwawaylaptop a day ago | parent [-] | | I agree. I've had a 300k mile Silverado and currently own a 210k mile Volt. The thing that's basically hanging over the Volts head is a battery problem you almost can't even test for. The gas motor is doing just great. |
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| ▲ | com2kid a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A 2012 Kia Soul will last until 200k miles. In the 2010s Kia used some good engines, with a couple notable exceptions (the highest end Stingers, etc). The issue is that all those Kias got stolen and trashed by Kia Boys. :( I had a 2011 Kia Soul that I was going to drive until it died. Someone else did the dying part for me. | | |
| ▲ | rasz a day ago | parent [-] | | >2012 Kia Soul will last until 200k miles not the 1.6L GDI one | | |
| ▲ | com2kid 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok fair. Souls came with a lot of different engine models. The engine in my 2011 soul was pre-gdi and is rock solid stable basically forever. I also had a 2015 forte with the 1.6L turbo which is, from my understanding, also super reliable so long as you change the oil every 3000 miles. The absurd warranty Kia used to have encouraged them to put out good products. I had incorrect oil put in my Soul (at an oil change place!) and Kia warranty replaced the entire engine. |
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| ▲ | ragall a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's very well possible to get 500k kilometers out of a Mercedes or Audi. They're mechanically quite reliable as long as maintenance is done religiously. | | |
| ▲ | laurencerowe a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Each of my Audi A4 wagons has suffered catalytic converter failure around 200,000 miles / 350,000 km which has rendered them uneconomic to repair (at least in California.) But it's about the only wagon on sale in the US (SUVs do not fit in my garage) so I guess I am stuck with them. It seems more economic to buy a cheap one and drive it into the ground (one can buy two used Audis for the equivalent Toyota/Lexus.) | |
| ▲ | throwawaylaptop a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe on the older models. But I'm a sucker for buying high miles cars, and you simply won't even FIND a high miles Audi A7 for example. You'll find cheap ones sure, for $5k even, with 150k miles and multiple issues the owner can't afford to fix.
I've never even seen a 200k mile Audi for sale near me, and I'm in a huge major metro area. | |
| ▲ | skeeter2020 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> as long as maintenance is done religiously. Maybe, but an oil change & minor service for my Mom's off-warranty Mercedes is clsoe to $1000. You seem to be fighting yourself if you're after a long-term reliable driver and go Euro luxury. | |
| ▲ | turtlebits a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | And if you have deep pockets. My BMW at 120k miles started to cost around 2k a year to maintain. I ended up selling it for 6k. |
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| ▲ | ragingregard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "The average ICE car does not survive to 200,000 miles" That's a fair amount of misinformation in your post. 1) Any reliable ICE brand goes well above 200k miles with basic maintenance. There's a long history here of reliability and why so many drivers choose boring yer reliable brands like Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc. If you choose brands that do not prioritize reliability then that's on you. (i.e. Mercedes drivers switching into Tesla) 2) Mileage (distance) is not actually the determining factor here in longevity, car age is. Average age of ICE cars is around 12 years in the USA. That's average, which means there are many cars that are much much older than that. Battery cars will be lucky if they average out 8 years as a fleet. Probability is 75%+ you're looking at a battery replacement at the 12 year mark if not sooner. Vast majority of drivers will not replace said battery making the car a throw away due to cost (no one financially competent spends $10k-$20k on a battery for a car worth less than $10k). This will absolutely drive fleet age down, resulting in a younger fleet and more disposable cars. Replacement batteries are not plentiful or cheap and there's no reason for that to change due to the industry strategy. "Tesla still averages being able to hold 90% of original charge" 3) Lucky you. It's well known in the community first year degradation is typically 5%-10% and there after 1-2% per year till a major failure. Do you know how to measure your original charge? Have you driven the car from 100% to 0% to verify total battery capacity or you just going of the BMS hoping it knows the true capacity. BMS is regularly off by 5%+ so for all you know your true capacity is already nearing 80%. If you know Lithium battery science then you know after 80% the capacity hits a cliff rate of degradation accelerates. Few people drive their cars below 10% battery so they don't really know. |
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| ▲ | skopje 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | What I hate are the dozens of little doodads in the car that fail after 10 years and are no longer manufactured. Mechanical knobs on the AC, servos in the mirrors, power windows, wiper motors, window seals, heck the shifter stalk on my 2006 forester broke (thank god for chop shops). I wonder what people are referring to when they say "this car won't last 200k miles". do they mean the engine, transmission, heater, what exactly? |
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| ▲ | eldaisfish a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| a lot of this data on battery health comes from california. Not everywhere has California's climate and lithium ion battery packs do not do well in the cold. Also, the link you shared is just a collection of anecdotes. It doesn't provide evidence of a trend. |