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hcknwscommenter a day ago

Aside from battery longevity is there really anything better about a new model S compared to a 5 year old model?

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supportengineer a day ago | parent | next [-]

I have a 5 year old Model S and it's still like new. And it has a wheel instead of a yolk.

The problems with used cars are usually:

1. The previous owner abused the car

2. There is known damage which is being kept hidden from you

	▲	bunderbunder a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		And those might be particularly poignant problems for used EVs because EVs are notoriously expensive to repair.
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array_key_first a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Battery technology in general.

And, Tesla is an outlier here. Other EVs are progressing MUCH faster.

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bdangubic a day ago | parent [-]

that is a bold statement that needs to be backed by an example... while Tesla is certainly the dinosaur with the most outdated lineup of cars others aren't that much better (unless we venture into super-luxury 6-figure price zone...)

	▲	array_key_first a day ago \| parent [-]
		Look at almost* any other manufacturer. Kia and BYD are two prominent examples. They're outputting huge batteries and absolutely bonkers charging times. But even US manufacturers have surpassed Tesla. What GM is doing is more impressive.

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fnordpiglet a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The GPU, sensors, trim, motors, and batteries have improved in those 5 years. I have a 2020 X and I am considering when to update. While the S and X haven’t gotten a significant improvement like the 3 and Y have they are still substantially better than before. Despite the memes I’ve consistently tried the other options, and have tried the BYD, Zyker, MG, etc available in Asia, and the Tesla are still far and away the best cars especially if you consider them in combination with the supercharger network. I think they have slowed their pace of improvement surely through a lot of Musks self inflicted fault, but the competition hasn’t yet surpassed them.

For those boosting BYD, etc, the finish is shiny but low quality, and is rife with safety red flags - an example being by in large you can watch YouTube and movies and sturr on the central screen while driving. (It’s scary in Asia with grab drivers watching videos while weaving in and out of traffic) - but the price is good.

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aj_icracked a day ago | parent [-]

I have a 2020 model X as well and I love it. I have no plans on upgrading which oddly is because it doesn't have the interior review mirror cam for FSD to yell at me for silly things like looking at a passenger to talk while on FSD and it still drives like it did on day 1 (60k miles ago, have only done tires and minor warranty calls). Honestly a fantastic car and now that it's paid off I'm like yep I'll keep this for years more. Keep the car it's great!

Actually to edit this comment - the main (only?) reason I bought the car is because if I'm in an accident I want to try to be in safest car possible and if my sig other is driving I want them to be in the safest car I can find. I thought that paying a premium at release in model X 2020 was well worth the premium if people I love are in it.

	▲	fnordpiglet a day ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah this is literally exactly my experience as well. Best car I’ve ever driven and I’ve considered replacing with a twice as expensive Mercedes. The mirror camera is also the primary reason I don’t upgrade - I used FSD extensively in my commute and when I use FSD on newer models it’s obnoxious I can’t even change a song without it freaking out. I also bought it for the safety. Even the FSD I consider a substantial safety feature. I don’t take naps in the back seat when it’s ok - I pay attention. The joint probability of it or me noticing a drifting car or whatever is considerably better than me alone.

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gambiting a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't tell you about Tesla, but BMW for example did shoot themselves right in the foot by announcing literally at the launch of the iX that they are going to bring a new model with updated 800V architecture within couple years. So........why would you buy that first one, knowing that a much improved model is literally right around the corner. Consequently prices of the iX cratered, and you could have it on a lease for the same cost as a VW golf, despite being (at least in theory) 3x more expensive. The first gen cars are now so laughably cheap it's actually stupid to not buy one because they are still perfectly good very capable vehicles - but yeah, why would it keep value if it was immediately replaced by a much better model. With EVs we're in the GPU area where each model immediately displaces the last generation and within few years your top of the line flagship card is worth close to nothing.

	▲	joquarky a day ago \| parent [-]
		https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect