Actually ICE has improved significantly in the last 20 years, even though progress was held back by emission and safety regulations. In the year 2000 a sports car would have around 200/250hp while these days any sports car that wants to boast power has around 500hp or more.

Perhaps you're not into cars much but if you compare top cars on track days etc. you will know there have definitely been huge changes. Though during the last 20 years repairability and reliability also took a hit.

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tim333 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

>500hp or more

But are they fun? My main experience of powerful cars is you hit the speed limit or a traffic jam within about 10 seconds.

I have more fun on my 1/3 hp ebike than my 200 hp car which suffers from the above.

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PyWoody 2 days ago | parent [-]

The must fun I've ever had while driving was with the family '99 Honda Civic. Zero power. Zero torque. But, man, it was like driving a go kart in the streets. I'd zip through mountain passes with the engine revving to hell but in reality I'd only be barely going the speed limit.

I did the same mountain pass in my Subaru recently and didn't even notice I was going 20mph over the speed limit. The engine was silent and still responsive.

	▲	selimthegrim 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		>I did the same mountain pass in my Subaru recently and didn't even notice I was going 20mph over the speed limit. The engine was silent How about the transmission lol

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everdrive 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>200/250hp while these days any sports car that wants to boast power has around 500hp or more.

And it'll only weigh 4,500 lbs.

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xnx 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> held back by emission and safety regulations

How so? Are those not improvements?

	▲	trashb 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Those are improvements overall for the environment and safety of course. However as usually improvement in one area is not necessary an improvement in another area. I was referring to "sport" performance of a car or ICE engine then the emission regulation held back the power output and performance of the drive train and the safety regulations added a lot of weight and size to the cars therefore hurting handling.
	▲	potato3732842 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>Are those not improvements? Said no pedestrian hidden behind my A-pillar (just kidding I still drive a 1980s minivan, one of the poor people ones, not the hipster one, don't get your hopes up).