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nicoburns 2 days ago

EVs are simply immature products. The first truly mainstream models (car manufacturers making EVs their flagship model) outside of Tesla were released this year, or maybe last.

The first few generations of smartphones didn't last very long either (1-2 years). But now they last much longer (5-7 years). EV lifespans will expand in the same way as they mature as a product.

epistasis 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't know where this idea comes from. I had a Fiat 500e when it first came out, about a decade ago, and it was fantastic even though unloved by the manufacturer, and it had to go in for a recall for two days once which was a hassle. Still better than the BMW that I bought when the 500e lease expired, because the BMW was in the shop for a whole week for some sort of tail light recall. I only bought the BMW because I was waiting for the Model 3 to come out, and switched to that eventually, and it is far far more mature than any other car of the era.

I bought a minivan when I had kids, and it's such a huuuuuuge step backwards on every front from the Model 3. There's so much ridiculous maintenance for a gas car, it really really sucks. And Toyota's build quality is absolute shit compared to Tesla, which supposedly gets dinged for build quality. All the plastic in the Toyota is falling out, the window seals are terrible, the whole thing is terrible in comparison to Tesla's supposedly bad build quality.

I've taken EVs on thousand mile road trips with an infant, and it was fantastic.

My EV is going to outlast my ICE by a long long time. The amount of fake FUD around EVs is mystifying to me. I can not understand why anyone would want a gas car wheee you have so much maintenance and always have to stop to fill up. So much wasted time and money on that BS.

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eldaisfish a day ago | parent | prev [-]

you know what they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. The poor quality of Tesla's cars is well known. The high quality of Toyotas is well known as well.

epistasis 15 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't know that "well known" is any better than anecdotes. If there's data, I'd like to see it.

But what is indisputable is that the maintenance load for a gas car is super high and involved so many trips into a mechanic or changing your own oil, etc. With EVs you just rotate the tires and that's it. Maybe some wiper blades. I'll never be buying another gas car if I can avoid it. They do not seem ready in comparison to the ease of an EV.