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IlikeKitties 2 days ago

I bought a 4chan pass today just to support the effort. If there's ever a hornets nest you don't want to fuck with it's 4chan and i can't imagine a better poking stick than ofcom.

Bender 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If there's ever a hornets nest you don't want to fuck with it's 4chan

That certainly used to be the case pre-2012. All the former hactivists have long since left. marriage, kids, real life, etc... Now it's mostly handfuls of edgy boys on cell phones in school and 4chan-GPT creating and responding to threads. I wish I were wrong. The site went mostly dead for about two weeks when USAID was defunded and had to shift funding sources then all the usual re-re-re-re-re-posted topics in /g/ returned. Some of them are on this site too ... inb4 they reply. Adding to this now the general public have the real names, IP addresses and locations of all the moderators so they are less likely to participate in doxxing.

There was a quote, "4chan is where smart people go to act stupid, facebook/reddit is where stupid people go to act smart". That probably needs to be updated.

whimsicalism 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

idk, 4chan still can have the highest quality of technical conversation (at least on ML) outside of twitter/X —- and yes, that’s including HN. it’s where the llama & mistral weights were leaked

Bender a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah don't get me wrong, once in a while something interesting is posted. Any time something is said in corporate media to be leaked that is the first ClearWeb site I check to see if someone has posted to a paste/git site.

mmooss a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4chan was funded by USAID? Is this an in-joke?

Bender a day ago | parent [-]

4chan was funded by USAID? Is this an in-joke?

I never said that. USAID manipulate narratives on all popular multimedia and social media sites. Anyone may post on 4chan and anyone with a 4chan-pass may use proxies and VPN's.

mmooss a day ago | parent [-]

> USAID manipulate narratives on all popular multimedia and social media sites.

I wouldn't be surprised to read that on 4chan, but on HN ... we need some credible citations. :)

Bender a day ago | parent [-]

Some of the text and PDF's by congress discuss some of the findings but there are other sites that reported on it in the last couple years. [1] Some documents try to justify it [2]. There are countless more documents, mostly in PDF form because people can't HTML for whatever reason. Just use "site:.gov usaid 4chan" on Google. I have more of them bookmarked on my workstation. There are also disinformation documents to counter every document. If this sounds like conspiracies I have some rabbit holes for you. Start with DHS and the Ministry of Truth.

Speaking of misinformation, there are efforts to suggest USAID is actually US AID inferring they are some type of AID organization including putting "AID" in a different color in their logo. A few times a year they contribute small amounts of resources so they can get away with saying it but they are actually the United States Agency for International Development [3] originally meant to sway public opinion in other nations but started targeting people in the USA and its allies.

I think the take-away is that everything on the internet including references and citations are probably misinformation of misinformation of misinformation. I have sympathy for AI trying to ingest all of it.

[1] - https://unherd.com/newsroom/documents-reveal-us-government-a...

[2] - https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA14/20190521/109537/HHRG...

[3] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_Inter...

Bender 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I should know better than to give an answer that may include people not on the left. It might be time to put my sites back online.

mmooss 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You know that's a misstatement of the response (and oddly you responded to yourself, not to anyone else): It's not that the citations are of "people not on the left", but of people who are highly partisan for any persuasion (and also that you badly mischaracterize another citation). There are plenty of sources that are credible and not highly partisan.

Why be disingenous? Do you have something to lose by an honest search for the truth? Do you not want to look for it? Are you so sure that your narrow political group has the truth and no search is needed?

hunterpayne a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

USAID is a soft power clearing house for the US government. Long ago, the state department, CIA and DOD were all running soft power operations and in an effort to consolidate them, USAID was created. It is supposed to get people to like the US government. Before Obama, it wasn't supposed to be operating "on US soil" but he changed that. By the time Trump was elected, it would be hard to say that it was effective at its task. If anything, it seemed to be doing the opposite of what it was supposed to be doing.

mmooss a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm aware of the conspiracy theories, and of course there are plenty of sources that repeat them. The first link is a highly partisan website that is quoting America First Legal, founded by Stephen Miller (yes, that Stephen Miller). The second is not as described: Its aim is to prevent enemy states from conducting propaganda campaigns in free societies, an undeniable danger. Its recommendations are,

1. Raise the cost of conducting malign influence operations against the United States and its allies.

2. Close vulnerabilities that foreign adversaries exploit to undermine democratic institutions.

3. Separate politics from efforts to unmask and respond to foreign operations against the U.S. electoral process.

4. Strengthen partnerships with Europe to improve the transatlantic response to this transnational threat.

5. Make transparency the norm in the tech sector.

6. Build a more constructive public-private partnership to identify and address emerging tech threats.

7. Exhibit caution when reporting on leaked information and using social media accounts as journalism sources.

8. Increase support for local and independent media.

9. Extend the dialogue about foreign interference in democracies beyond Washington.

10. Remember that our democracy is only as strong as we make it.

It's significant that a political faction does everything it can to remove barriers to disinformation, for example using lawfare and other attacks to shut down research into it, using political power to disable the country's ability to protect itself.

tokai 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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4ggr0 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

the rasion d'etre of 4chan can probably be discussed forever, but i can't imagine donating money to such a vile, hate-filled platform. surely there are better causes fighting for the same things, right?

i know, freedom of speech, it's your money and not mine, etc.

tronicjester 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Whose hate filled platform? Is there proof mods push general threads or curate content? If the "hate" is legit perspectives from the populous then its important. Reddit is highly curated and far more echoey than 4chan. Never seen pro-Jesus/Islam threads on main page of Reddit. 4chan has them all the time on multiple boards.

miladyincontrol a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think the general curation by some mods is less pushing some agenda, more just enabling the shitposters they're friends with at the cost of genuine discussion.

Least thats what happened with a scene I'm rather involved in, the threads in recent years became nothing but a cesspool of negativity and most people knew who was behind the constant drama. What people didnt expect was the leak revealed one of the mods was among the group constantly causing it.

4ggr0 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Is there proof mods push general threads or curate content?

how does this relate to what i said? i get the "we're a free platform where everyone can do everything and no one is responsible for anything", just a cheap excuse from my POV considering the unhinged, doxxy culture on there. sure, there are cute boards, nice. i am talking about the inhumane, unhinged slurry of shit.

"Sure my neighbour has a couple of cadavres in his cellar, but have you seen the pretty flowers on his balcony?"

but per usual you can't criticize 4chan in the slightest without its warriors appearing to defend it. i get it. 4chan did and does cool stuff. it also does absolutely disgusting things, surprisingly this always gets dismissed as 'it's only the couple of rogue boards which are crazy'.

IlikeKitties 2 days ago | parent [-]

To say 4chan isn't a cesspit of racism, mysogony, anti-semitism and disgusting content would be a lie. But the same is true for twitter and people buy their blue checkmarks there all the time.

4ggr0 2 days ago | parent [-]

> the same is true for twitter

i agree :)

> people buy their blue checkmarks there all the time

sadly, yes.

throwaway48476 a day ago | parent | next [-]

In the 3rd world twitter rage baiting is now a career.

whimsicalism 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

weird how all the despicable awful platforms are simply the ones with the least amount of editorial oversight from on high

JokerDan 2 days ago | parent [-]

Not sure on this one, Reddit is arguably the worst place on the internet and has a lot of oversight, is heavily curated. Part of the reason it is so bad in fact. The pendulum just swings the other way compared to X and 4chan.

thomassmith65 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

'Hate!? on 4chan!? That's absurd!' /s

IlikeKitties 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4chan isn't all /b/ and /pol/. /g/ the technology board can be a very interesting place. And its Members often create technology that absolutely suprises me. Just recently we started an effort to retake the usenet and are actively repopulating alt.cyberpunk.tech with genuine good discussions.

hnsnobsur a day ago | parent | next [-]

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4ggr0 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> 4chan isn't all /b/ and /pol/

maybe this is my bias, could very well be. maybe i should give it a 10th chance and browse the more useful boards.

i guess /g/ would be a start, do you have other recommendations? i mean i'm open to change my mind. for me 4chan stands for alt-right pipelines, spreading far-right ideology online etc., so i just really have a sour taste in my mouth when thinking about it.

tokai 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

/pol/ was a containment board for Stormfront users. The site is super pluralistic. But don't force yourself to go to a place you don't want to go.

krapp 2 days ago | parent [-]

There's no such thing as a "containment board." Nothing actually gets contained.

IlikeKitties 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

They're correct though, that was /pol/s origin story. That Containment worked roughly as well as the one in Chernobyl though.

EarlKing a day ago | parent [-]

Objection: The Chernobyl containment building generally speaking does its job. /pol/, on the other hand, leaks like an incontinent old man in a retirement home. "Containment" only works if you have jannies that actually sweep it up. 4chan, much like Voat, suffers a problem of people spamming up boards and threads with unrelated crap that is ostensibly supposed to be kept to other boards/threads (like /pol/). The reputation they have is a consequence of that unmanageability (just like Voat ultimately suffered from when they embraced Reddit's cast-offs and suddenly had people talking about "shitskins" and "day of the rope" everywhere).

IlikeKitties a day ago | parent [-]

> Objection: The Chernobyl containment building generally speaking does its job.

The Sarcophagus and the new containment building sure, I meant the original one before the accident.

hunterpayne a day ago | parent [-]

You do know that they physically disabled the safety systems at Chernobyl before the accident. They were running an incredibly irresponsible test at the plant. The rumor is that that test was for the PhD thesis of the kid of a central committee member.

IlikeKitties 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I know, I've been to Chernobyl myself. I'm also aware that the reactor there DIDN'T have another containment Unit like Fukushima which was the whole joke.

trallnag 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You want to me share all the IP addresses I've got banned on for posting stuff on /g/, /sp/, and /int/? There's definitely some level of containment going on. Be it pornography, politics, or gore.

Arnavion 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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IlikeKitties 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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BergAndCo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

why do so many people think 4chan is the same site it was 10 years ago? modern 4chan is just another reddit.

miladyincontrol 2 days ago | parent [-]

I agree on some notions, theres little original content or discussion, theres little creativity.

Most threads still get plagued by a circlejerk of wannabe neonazis repeating shibboleths and transphobia at each other ad infinitum, or if you're lucky enough you find a crumb of quality discussion, often generals, often around derivative content from other platforms or popular media.

There are the rare productive generals that do have people curating information in meaningful ways, or even rarer actually doing things themselves. Far more often generals are just toxic loosely held together "friend" circles who cant get along anywhere else due to a perpetual veil of irony that can only survive in anonymous spaces, often attacking each other for little more than to stir the pot and keep conversation going. They'll still hold a superiority complex over their use of the site even though every single bad thing they'll say about others can be said for 4chan times 10.

Its not 2006 anymore, 4chan isnt a creator of internet culture, 4chan is a dumpster of the web, where art goes to die.

janwl 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

One man’s hate is another man’s love.