| ▲ | nextworddev 11 hours ago |
| Obviously a meat brain is incomparable to a LLM - they are different types of intelligence. Any sane person wouldn't claim a LLM to be conscious in the meat brain sense, but it may be conscious in a LLM way, like the duration of time where matrix multiplications are firing inside GPUs. |
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| ▲ | zahlman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| If an LLM could be "conscious in an LLM way", then why not the same, mutatis mutandis, for an ordinary computer program? |
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| ▲ | nextworddev 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | because an ordinary program is deterministic, LLM is probablistic + it has some synthetic-reasoning ability |
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| ▲ | nurettin 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It just aligns generated words according to the input. It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness. We sometimes confuse the responses with actual thought because neural networks solved language so utterly and completely. |
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| ▲ | Zarathruster 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure I'd use those criteria, nor have I heard them described as hallmarks of consciousness (though I'm open, if you'll elaborate). I think the existence of qualia, of a subjective inner life, would be both necessary and sufficient. Most concisely: could we ask, "What is it like to be Claude?" If there's no "what it's like," then there's no consciousness. Otherwise yeah, agreed on LLMs. | | |
| ▲ | nurettin 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd say being the maintainer of the weights is individual agency. Not just training new agents, but introspection. So autonomous management system would be pretty much conscious. |
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| ▲ | cma 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness. You can be completely paralyzed and completely concious. | | |
| ▲ | tsimionescu 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, but you can't be completely suspended with no sensory input or output, not even internally (i.e. hunger, inner pains, etc), and no desires, and still be conscious. | |
| ▲ | nurettin 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, and you have individual agency while completely paralyzed. |
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