> quit caffeine and exercise more

With respect, you weren't asked and it's shit advice besides. I'm happy you have something that works but you may rest absolutely assured anyone with these issues that is a day over 20 has heard this "advice" hundreds, if not thousands of times.

At this point the bad advice (yes it's bad, it doesn't work) is almost as alienating as the fact that nobody seems to understand.

> With respect, you weren't asked

With respect, you weren't asked.

> With respect

> it's shit advice

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Indeed. As someone who deals with the exact same issues as the original comment and have been fighting with sleep issues for over a decade, it's pretty fucking insulting to think we haven't tried to vary caffeine intake. Apparently we're too fucking stupid to think that the drug most known for wakefulness might be what is keeping us awake! It's like when I talk about crippling executive disfunction they chime in with the ever helpful, "have you tried setting a five minute timer to get started?"

I can guarantee that folks who suffer from these symptoms have read far more about mitigation than the average drive by commenter who doesn't suffer from them. Our whole lives at some point becomes about mitigation. So the "just drink less caffeine" is stupid and insulting and unfortunately way too common.

[dead]