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throwawayqqq11 14 hours ago

> I'm starting from real world governments and their real world behaviors, not fantasy.

In the real world, many dictatorships have formed without UBI. Yet you regard UBI as a certain step towards it and even pretend its a hard argument against it, meanwhile the problems root causes you are concerned about are entirely detached from UBI. You are simply projecting.

I cant state it any more clearly. You are a lost cause.